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hey mate would love to but clean in all true fashion wants to be right even when he is wrong..Quote:
Originally Posted by bee utey
even so I'm pretty sure land rover never put a plane in the sky....thank god:D..could you imagine what the in flight service would be like on that:eek::D
Rover put the planes (ally skins) on their land rovers and they fly just well enough to leave the ground for a few milliseconds at a time... And there's beer to be had in the icebox in the back:DQuote:
Originally Posted by dullbird
they used to make planes out of canvas and aluminium sounds like a series rover to me:D
"attention all passengers, due to some standing water on the runway we are unable to take off due to water entering the engines, and therefore will have to cancel this non refundable flight, we are not sorry for the inconvenience and trains may or may not be leaving in 5 mins to the city, so if you run you may or may not catch it. have a great day and please mind the step we were to tight to rent a bay":wasntme::DQuote:
Originally Posted by bee utey
clean - db's question was a question not a statement - what wacky backy are you on ?
https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...10/04/1136.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by dullbird
[nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4MVKUl8n4Y&feature=player_embedded"]YouTube- Land Rover Cinematographer[/nomedia]
there's another picture out there (someone will know the disco one I mean and post it shortly no doubt)
LOL me a chap? sorry don’t hang around trouser legs.
Anyway, in answer to your question then, safer as in likely hood to crash burn and kill everyone, yes I think newer aircraft would be safer than older aircraft.
Now I don’t know if this is correct but my thinking would be.
as avionics seem to be upgraded often, I think it would be safe to assume that this would be common across newer and older airframes, other common influences would be pilots, weather, human factors,
That leaves airframe and mechanicals.
Crash and burn accidents seem to be mainly of 2 types. Fall out of the sky, or fly into the ground.
The fall out of the sky, seems to be all mechanical, turbines flying to bits , motors falling off, hydraulics Or airframe. I can think of one exception and that’s the air France airbus.
The crash on landing, over runs, and flying into hills all seem to be human error.
Now as an airframe is under stress the most when landing. It would seem logical that the airframe with the most landings is the most likely to fail. i.e. the older plane is more likely to fall out of the sky.
Which is a totally different argument as to which aircraft is more reliable, each aircraft as a list of current problems that is updated by the air crew and handed to the next air crew. Small things like the cigarette lighter isn’t working in the cockpit, etc as well as anything that has been fixed during that and previous rotations. Its these little things that delay flights, usually they are nothing that will affect the performance of a flight but due to the nature of the industry things get checked out. do I think older airplanes have more of these problems than newer airplanes, yes I do, do I think that while I was flying all over the place that Quantas had more of these issues than other airlines, yes I do and that is based on my experience. Which begs the question how could anyone with out comparative experience disagree with? as a passenger how do you really judge a flight? Well that’s quite simple, how did check in go, did the plane leave on time? Could I choose what movies i watched or did i get a saw neck trying to look around the head rest to get a view of the big screen? Did the air crew turn off the entertainment before the movie was finished? Did the flight run out of any thing like water, peanuts, could i eat the in-flight meals, did the in-flight meal make me sick. Was the kid in the seat beside me sick, did the kid on the seat behind me kick my seat? Did the air crew disappear for hours on end and did the toilets stop working.
Apart from the kids bit, Quantas time and time again came out wanting.
Now for people who fly infrequently just about any flight is an adventure full of excitement and that’s a good thing. But for some one whom is constantly doing 12 hour flights or 11+4. Moscow is 12 +13 depending on route. South Africa is a killer, try doing 2 return trips in a week.
When you are doing that sort of flying the smaller things become important things. Some things are not so small like getting a toothbrush!! Quantas don’t have them anymore. or booking with Quantas to Huston ver LA the leg up is a 32 KG bag limit the internal leg is a 20Kg bag limit, nice of Quantas to advise you of that NOT, so there you are in LA with 30 minutes left before boarding deciding what socks and jocks to dump in the bin. you also get to know cabin crew quite well, you fly with them you usually stay in the same hotels etc, share taxis and share local knowledge. So if Dracula whishes to say im full of *** he can but personally i think he feeding from the wrong place
I will never ask again anithing about Quantas :mad:
now......what are your thoughts about Tiger Airways Australia :angel:
Clean - so many of your assumptions are flawed, HOWEVER
Well that's more like it.... what ANY of this has to do with fleet age I fail to see. If you don't like QANTAS (there's no "U" in it, by the way) well that's your look out, and I take some of the points mentioned in the post I've quoted above - little things like toothbrush and so on. Mind you how QANTAS can be blamed for a child kicking a seat I have no idea?Quote:
Originally Posted by clean32
OK you are full of ****.Quote:
So if Dracula whishes to say im full of *** he can [/FONT][/COLOR]
And don't for a minute try on that I've been on more flights thank you therefore my opinion is TRUTH and yours is invalid, bull malarkey !
Oh and lastly, read some history... VladTepes is and was NOT Dracula. The latter is a creation of Bram Stoker, the former a real person.
Guys, I am not a moderator, however I started this thread and believe that have the right to ask the members to cool down.
I think that some of the post here are on the edge of not comform with the forum rules or the camaderie in AULRO.
It is possible to have an interesting debete without insinuate things about the other persons.
I think that INC have to add a IGNORE button on the forums :)
Keep the debate a live but in a nice way ;)
One way that is guaranteed to reduce the care taken in and by maintenance (or any worker for that matter) is to continually threaten their job as the "fear" factor only lasts for a short period of time then it transforms into people returning the lack of care management show about them to their work.
P.s as a foot note for those having a shot at the union's organising pay sise/ better working conditions ,over the last decade senior management/ceo's in the top 100 companies in Aus have had on average a 7.5% pay rise per year , please show me ANY shop floor employee who has got the same?