Thread: Police shot at in ADELAIDE

MickS
Good post Digger...hopefully they will survive the physical injuries. As for being looked after by their superiors, i just hope it gets done better in SA than it does in NSW..

Actually, after a huge review, SAPOL have actually stepped up the way it does things and started (thankfully) for the shooting I was involved with, but obviously it depends a lot on your team and your boss! .

Similar situation occurred back in the 80's in Victoria when Steve Tynan and Damian Eyres were called out to "recover" a stolen vehicle, only to be murdered on scene.

I often stress the Tynan/Eyre situation when conducting range training, especially with newer blokes, but someolder need a nudge too!, Its amazing how many have never heard of the Walsh Street shootings and the lesson about the Mundane not always being mundane (be aware, be alive) hopefully sinks a bit better because of it. And if I recall correctly it was obvious that they werent slackers, Steve Tynan was involved in a shooting situation where he (justifyably) wounded someone only a week or a few weeks before...

1988? and one of the offender that got off in court later had his wife brag about his planning and doing it..... Vince Pierce...(something like that). I wonder what happened to that bastard.

I remember the massive operation that went for 3 or more years, it was easily the biggest police operation I was aware of.

cheers Mick

digger

Originally Posted by p38arover

Well, there is a certain magistrate in NSW who seems to be totally anti-police.

Until they desperately need them........

I feel the coppers should be respected and obeyed - they are there to enforce the law (that we vote in) and protect us. Apart from that showing respect and decency to these public servants in a thankless job is the right thing to do and costs nothing - a simple smile can go a long way.

Pretty difficult to clean up society if your cleaning equipment is taken away... give them teargas and rubber bullets i say

Originally Posted by digger

cheers Mick

digger

And never to forget Bob Spears and Peter Addison at Crescent Head in '95...

Here in NSW, they often crack out a video called "Just Another Domestic"...

I got bored the other night on shift and for something to do I looked up coronial inquest findings on the net.

Anytime there is a police shooting, death in custody or death resulting from a persuit its an automatic coronial inquest.

Was reading one where police crew arrived to find a known mental patient with a knife who held a young man hostage. As the police got out of their car the nutter started stabbing the hostage in the back and neck and then ran at one of the officers. It happend so fast that he barely had time to draw the glock and somehow managed to squeeze off one shot from the hip barely out of the holster.

Luckily the round hit the crim in the neck and dropped him instantly with him falling to the ground near the officers feet. Not that long ago on this very forum that the suggestion was made that police should not be allowed to cary visible holstered pistols. Well here is one officer that would not be alive if that was the case.

The inquest found the police did the right thing but these things drag out for a very long time and the officers are subjected to hell whilst it is investigated.

just an update on this...

as they approached the door and knocked on it, having been called by a calm male to a domestic disturbance, the door opened the male was standing with a "high powered rifle" and said "Youve been set up" and fired at least one shot towards the officers, this shot (luckily..) hit the frame of the open security/aluminium door, it shattered (both the round and the frame) and showered both police with shrapnel and aluminium shards.

The probo has had on operation to remove pieces of "foreign body" from his eye and "may lose some eyesight"... (no advice on what the foreign body is or how bad the prognosis) he is still in hospital.

The other officer (a conny) has been released with facial and hand injuries and has gone home. (something he will have a massively new appreciation of!)

The offender (not alleged thats crap. he is the offender) made his way to the roof but did not aim at anyone directly so was not fired upon (also if you miss where exactly does that round lob, fired up and across....messy!)

negotiators got him to leave the rifle and move a short way away and lay prone on the roof where he was arrested without further incident.

two savage dogs needed to be removed by council workers (rather than shoot them) before the house could be completely searched.

The male was involved with police a week prior where he had a mini seige with officers of another team who were able to detain him and take him for treatment without incident. as such the address does not get flagged for attention...it was an everyday occurrence... He was detained (as I understand it) for about a week, but at any case for three days and has been out for less than a week.

No info yet as to firearm owner? etc.... My current thought is relating to the "sale and decentralisation of mental health faciities" occurring in SA, eg they are closing down the mental hospital at GLENSIDE, (its on prime land you see, just on the edge of the parklands and worth a big quid) and moving the patients that normally would be there into "community housing" where they can "assimilate" better and interact with the rest of society... with a lot of the patients this is working ok.... but with others......

The current thought Im fighting down is to grab the current premier, slap him about a bit, (although thats already been done by someone with a wine magazine!!) and ask him "so hows this whole, everyone out and about in the community thing working out for you??"...


PS - To all you out there that wear checkered blue but ride in oval green! be careful and give the family that extra hug each day...

..maybe we should start a section!! (blues in green!-- just kidding - there'd only be one thread ........"T.J.F." )

Digger

Originally Posted by MickS

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Quite right Ron...there are several magistrates that came through the legal aid system, and thus brought their "hate" the cops attitude to the bench. Fortunately, there are some magistrates who apply a modicum of common sense to their judicial duties....

The link below shows the current list of magistrates in NSW, including one who has received an AM!! Well done to her......

Contact the Chief Magistrate's Office - Local Courts : Lawlink NSW

yes what a champion for the rights of the community she would seem to be.... I wonder where she studied and for how long to become a doctor as well as being legally trained?? It would be a "Shane" to waste such obvious talent.

Im sure being a qualified legal person and a doctor, she would reflect the wishes and sentiments of the community as a whole, not just the "squeaky wheel sections", therefore she would hold and promote the views of a "normal and prudent person"....

I wonder if I searched the web there would there be some of those quotes where she represented the community as she should and promoted the views of a "normal and prudent person"....

MMM....but you can keep her there, to'help' you guys keep law and order, we'll get by here somehow without thanks!

digger

Originally Posted by digger

No info yet as to firearm owner? etc.... My current thought is relating to the "sale and decentralisation of mental health faciities" occurring in SA, eg they are closing down the mental hospital at GLENSIDE, (its on prime land you see, just on the edge of the parklands and worth a big quid) and moving the patients that normally would be there into "community housing" where they can "assimilate" better and interact with the rest of society... with a lot of the patients this is working ok.... but with others......

The current thought Im fighting down is to grab the current premier, slap him about a bit, (although thats already been done by someone with a wine magazine!!) and ask him "so hows this whole, everyone out and about in the community thing working out for you??"...

Am not aware of what is being done by the SA government in regard to mental health care however community care is actually a very good move for the quality of life and mental health of those who were previously locked up in a victorian era blanket approach to what is a health issue.

Where it goes wrong is that government tend to see it as a chance to cut costs where as when implemented correctly it actually costs significantly more than just locking everyone up. For this to work there has to be a new replacement support structure with layers of specialist care to match the mental heath of the people that is available 24/7.

You cannot just abandon these people and expect everything to be fine. When this was done in Victoria in the nineties so many mental patients were shot by the police it was almost as if the government was cutting the social security bill by dumping them on the street and then claiming to be surprised by the resulting deaths. Sort of like closing all the hospital emergency rooms then being surprised at the number of people who die from treatable injuries.

Also you cannot close all the 24 hour supervision facilities as some people are too unwell to care for themselves or can be a danger to the public. These people still require intensive care. Some for all their life.

The public has to keep pressure on those in government who make the decisions on these programs so that too many corners are not cut in what is not a sexy photo opportunity / vote winning part of their responsibilities. The results of what happens when this is done are well proven that however does not stop them.

Originally Posted by 3toes

Am not aware of what is being done by the SA government in regard to mental health care however community care is actually a very good move for the quality of life and mental health of those who were previously locked up in a victorian era blanket approach to what is a health issue.

Where it goes wrong is that government tend to see it as a chance to cut costs where as when implemented correctly it actually costs significantly more than just locking everyone up. For this to work there has to be a new replacement support structure with layers of specialist care to match the mental heath of the people that is available 24/7.

You cannot just abandon these people and expect everything to be fine. When this was done in Victoria in the nineties so many mental patients were shot by the police it was almost as if the government was cutting the social security bill by dumping them on the street and then claiming to be surprised by the resulting deaths. Sort of like closing all the hospital emergency rooms then being surprised at the number of people who die from treatable injuries.

Also you cannot close all the 24 hour supervision facilities as some people are too unwell to care for themselves or can be a danger to the public. These people still require intensive care. Some for all their life.

The public has to keep pressure on those in government who make the decisions on these programs so that too many corners are not cut in what is not a sexy photo opportunity / vote winning part of their responsibilities. The results of what happens when this is done are well proven that however does not stop them.

Unfortunately mate, that is the state of affairs in "the first state" Abandoned they are. Has been that way here for years since the legislation changed. Rozelle Psyche Hospital is now part of a university for instance.

A broke government, government agencies stretched to the limit with too much work, insufficient staffing, funds and resources - a public that cares little for the plight of the mentally ill - and you get an idea of what it is like here.

People who should be in full time care are tagged and released, and are expected to self-medicate. They don't, or they overdose, or continue to smoke pot and go off the rails talking to the sun...and the mess is left to be cleaned up by police and ambos...usually involving some loss of life or serious injury or self harm, along with the associated fallout with regard to victims/first responders etc... So they are placed in a one room squat in a large house in the inner west of Sydney, full of other mentally ill people in their own one room squats, and all their pension money goes to the landlord. It really is a sad situation. A royal commission, or some sort of inquiry, really needs to be conducted to look at the whole management, or mismanagement I should say, of mental health and the way it is handled at every level - from a local GP through to the premier - whoever that might be this week....