Food for thought Motor V Accident

G'day Folks :)

I can remember a similar accident in Sydney in the early 70's,cnr Great Western H'way and Station st Wentworthville, Holden EK sedan was travelling inbound (east)to work at about 11.00pm in middle lane with the flow of traffic,cyclist was travelling south from Wentworthville Station at high speed,hit Holden in passengers side door, blew driver out of vehicle and into the outside lane of westbound traffic, car driver lived,cyclist killed the motorcycle was eventually ID'ed as a Kawasaki 900 :) we, self and friends were riding back to Burwood after visiting friends at Penrith and it was one of my mates that IDed the bike, they were just loading the car driver in an ambulance,the remains of the front wheel was protruding out of the driver's door,it's a smell one doesn't forget easily, the rider had gone to get some smokes :( bike was near new.

Once saw a Road Boss with a motor cycle in the sleeper box on Gympie Road. Cyclist apparently came through a stop sign, got clipped by a southbound car, hit the median strip which got him airborne and into the right hand side of the dog box on a northbounder. Lots of blood and guts in there with the bike. One very dead motor cyclist.

I knew the truck owner and much later mentioned to him that I was on the scene shortly afterwards. He told me that his driver was on compo for more than three months with a stress disorder and was still having bad dreams.

I don't want to get into a Car driver v bike rider argument here but the phrase "Look left, look right, look bike" really irks me!
I drive about 1000km a week in the burbs of Melbourne and the number of times I've come close to wiping a bike rider off is incalculable. How about those with the most risk of injury taking some responsibility too? STOP running down between lanes on freeways.... STOP travelling at outrageous speeds on suburban roads and highways..... STOP EXPECTING ME TO SEE YOU!
I have never been so spooked as a driver as when I was on a trip with other AULRONIANS to Lake Mountain (Vic) on a Sunday a year or 2 back. The bloody ridiculous speeds and total disregard for double lines etc was something to behold.
So all you bike riders who EXPECT those of us who drive properly, within the speed limits and with RESPECT for other road users, LOOK CAR!!!

Rant over....think I'll go have a lie down now :(

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Originally Posted by Disco44

Sometimes only a picture can get our attention!
Her last call was from a new cell phone...
Do you see the motorcycle?
The Honda crotch rocket rider was traveling at approximately
85 kph. The VW driver was talking on a cell phone when she
pulled out from a side street, apparently not seeing the
motorcycle. The riders reaction time was not sufficient
enough to avoid this accident.
The car had two passengers
and the bike rider was found INSIDE the car with them.
The Volkswagen actually flipped over from the force of impact
and landed 20 feet from where the collision took place.

All three involved (two in the car and the bike rider) were
killed instantly. This graphic demonstration was placed at
the Motorcycle Fair by the Police and Road Safety Department..
Pass this on to car drivers or soon to be
new drivers, or new motorcycle owners
AND ESPECIALLY EVERYONE YOU KNOW WHO HAS A CELL PHONE!!!!!
A picture is worth a thousand words.

Save a life...


Stop talking on Cell phones and Texting while trying to drive.

The life you save may be your own..... or mine...

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OK, Enough Fairy Stories, Time for the real facts

Extreme Motorcycle Crash, Sweden, 2004-2005

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From one of our regular correspondents, at Drive and Stay Alive, Inc., we received the following photographs and brief report:



The white bit, at the right-hand side of the hole in the side of the car, is the clue.



The graphic display (below) was placed at the Stockholm Motorcycle Fair by the Swedish Police and Road Safety Department. The sign above the display noted that the rider had only recently obtained his license.







Left (and bottom left) The Honda burst into the VW through the front passenger door.

<<< Click to enlarge



Right Roof-crush, resulting from the roll-over. If you imagine the roof still fully upright, you will get a much better idea of the roof damage caused by the rider's body.




The Honda rider was traveling at such a "very high speed", his reaction time was not sufficient enough to avoid this accident. Swedish Police estimate a speed of ~250 KM/h (155mph) before the bike hit the side of the slow moving car at an intersection. At that speed, they predicted that the rider's reaction time (once the Volkswagen came into view) wasn't sufficient enough for him to even apply the brakes.



The car had two occupants and the bike rider was found INSIDE the car with them, along with the motorcycle itself.







Left (and top left) The Honda burst into the VW through the front passenger door.







Right Damage to the driver's seat gives only some indication of the violence of the impact.

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The Volkswagen actually flipped over from the force of impact and landed 10 feet from where the collision took place.
All three involved (two in the car, plus the rider) were killed instantly.



At 250 KM (155 mph) the operator is traveling at 227 feet per second. With normal reaction time to SEE-DECIDE-REACT of 1.6 seconds the above operator would have traveled over 363 feet while making a decision on what actions to take. In this incident the Swedish police indicate that no [such] actions were taken.





[October, 2005: Our thanks to Alan Goodwin for sending us the above information and photos. Very minor text editing has been applied for clarity.]

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And another:

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Volkswagen Golf Meets A Motorcycle At 155 MPH, Doesn't Go Well

VWGolfMotorcycleCrash_Top.jpgOne of the things motorcycle riders like tout about their choice of transportation is that, in the event of the crash, they're less likely to hurt others than an automobile. And while it's true that most people would rather be in a head-on with a K1200S than a Yukon, at 155 mph a motorcycle is basically a missile. In this case, a young rider had just received his license and took his bike for a high speed drive. This was apparently so fast that he didn't have time to hit the brakes before his bike merged with the VW Golf above.

Golf Meets Motorcycle At 155 MPH
Honda Meets Golf At 155 MPH Honda Meets Golf At 155 MPH Honda Meets Golf At 155 MPH Honda Meets Golf At 155 MPH

After impact the Golf flipped over and landed about 10 feet from the point of impact, with the motorcycle driver lodged inside the vehicle. The car's two passengers and the driver were killed and the Swedish Police have taken to taking the car to motorcycle events to remind people that, when you just start driving, maybe it's best to keep it under 100 MPH. Of course, there's some question as to whether or not this bike could even go 155 MPH and, even if it could, if this is what it would look like. Are the Swedes lying? You tell us. (thanks DGJ)

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All available reports except the top one state that the motorbike was travelling at a ridiculously high speed. The speed limit in Sweden is 120km/h max - and likely 80km/h or lower where the accident happened (since an intersection or side street was present). Whether the driver of the car was or wasn't using a mobile phone is irrelevant. The biike may not have even been visible when the car started to cross the intersection

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Originally Posted by VladTepes

How would they have got the bodies of 3 people out and still leave the bike etc in situ.....


aside from with a hose, that is.


Hmmm.



In Weipa they have a big cage outside town and they put a different wreck in there from time to time to try to highlight road safety.

The continuing supply of wrecks may indicate it doesn't work.

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They would have cut out the bike and removed the bodies, cleaned the wreck and then pieced it back together again for the show.

Speaking from personal experience I have seen horrific crashes involving all modes of transport some of which the only form of ID have been through DNA because even dental impressions were impossible. And the single biggest cause of the all -

DRIVER / RIDER impatience and resulting lack of concentration.

everything that the RTA and every other motoring mob go on about are just contributing factors. Mobile phones, alcohol, speed, radio, gps, kids on the back seat etc don't cause accidents. If one was to pull to the side of the road to answer that phone, change the GPS settings, lean over to tell the kids off ones concentration of the road would not be reduced. If one was to plan their trip and allowed an extra 10 minutes or so you didn't have to speed to get there on time, or simply went with the flow of traffic rather then speed and change lanes only to get to the next red light 5 seconds earlier the force of impact from speeding and likely hood of fatal injuries would be reduced.

And ... well... drink driving speaks for itself.

Now I along with just about everyone else has been guilty of doing many of these things, and for the most part you get away with doing it. But like all things eventually you will get caught out. The results of getting caught out will depend on time of day, road conditions, traffic conditions, pedestrians about and a myriad of other factors. The question you and you alone have to ask yourself at the time the phone rings is - IS IT WORTH IT.

Mark