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as already posted, its not new. but for me its easy to draw parallels with some american troops, delta boys are mainly from the mid west and all seem to be Very Christian.Originally Posted by akula
Yes, in a sense. I wouldn't say "impose" because as the world gets smaller and people see the wealth and individual freedoms offered by "the west" I'd say we were seducing rather than imposing. These crazy mullahs et al are just hanging on to their power.
And don't for a moment think I am saying that the spread of the West is inevitible. Our own success is the cause of our own weakness. We advertise our weakness and lack of will to them all the time.
Wizard
In the modern history of the world there has been very little exported terrorism war into nations not involved in the combatants conflict so all the chatter from politicians and media about world terrorism threats need to be taken with dose of salt.
Australia has little chance of act of terrorism being committed by combatants from overseas more likely to be 2nd generation migrants to be the ones committing acts of violence for perceived slights on their culture race or homeland.
We have no god given right to impose our values or beliefs on other people and we seem to have forgotten that jsut because we are a so called democratic country that our model of government is applciable or suitable for anyone else in the world.
Other nations have grown up without national identies and operate on tribal clans as their sense of identity and national governments have no meaning to their lives or beliefs.
Simply put we shouldn't be in Iran or Afghanistan and not being there wouldn't raise our threat levels one iota.
We should also stop all this refugee nonsense they aren't refugees they are economic queue jumpers and we should simply adopt a policy of immediate return to point of original departure.
Australia has since Federation made the fundamental mistake of following the Imperial leader used to be England now it is Amercia if Australia wants to do something for world peace it be non aligned and work in the UN to achieve regional peace and security and have a dialogue with any country and develop trade and economic links.
Most inter country conflict will be solved by non imposition of cultural and political views and most intra country conflict will only be solved by economic fairness and education and health for all of a nation's people on a equitable and fair basis, something that cannot be achieved by the presence of Australian solidiers no matter how fine and noble a job they are doing.
We should bring our service personnel home and stop sending them on no win missions supportng bad American policy maker decisions
In the words of the late Samuel Goldwyn, I couldn't agree less.
At Rest
By 2 mate.It is with great reluctance that I will not get on the soap box and answer this.This forum deserves better.
In the words of the late Samuel Goldwyn, I couldn't agree less.
John.
Master
There are many different versions of the Islam religion. The Sunni and Shiite groups have been waging war on each other since the breakaway formed. It is not a new happening. There is also a wide variance between the Islamic religions, some such as the Sufi are more mystical and use dance and music as a medium of worship which other Islam groups consider to be impure. most groups also accept that Jesus Christ is one of the prophets along with Moses and Abraham yet others want to eradicate Christianity and Jew ism.
In the words of the late Samuel Goldwyn, I couldn't agree less.
It is the hardliners which are twisting the teaching to suit their own ends, this occurs in most religions look at India, Lebanon, Ireland, Sudan, Ethopia, Nigeria.
As to whether our being in Afghanistan will cause reprisals, we are one of the smaller players there though going by the newspapers both the pros and antis sides seem to think that we are the third largest or important country there.
TopicToaster
Why do people want to win? Who are you going to beat?
It is not about winning or losing, it is about stabilising things so the place has a chance of going on without becoming another failed state.
cartm58,
You missed your calling, the middle east needs you.
Swaggie
A few low yield nukes on places like Damascus, Tehran, Riyadh, Cairo, and other cities popular with Islamic ratbags, purely for the encouragement of the others, may keep their heads down and their bums up making a living and not annoying the rest of the world.
URSUSMAJOR
Speaking from a no one
I think they are still underestimating the enemy
And the US media don't help you never know when they are talking crap or not and most of the time they don't even talk about whats really happening
I hate to say but at least Aljazera report the story no matter how biased they are
Its a horrible thing but i would prefer to know if things were going badly i might be an old fart but i would help if it was needed and i assume so would plenty of others
ChatterBox
No !....It does not...It comes from within Islam it self.
The Sunni, followers of the traditions of the prophet Muhammad, recognise four legal schools of thought (there are others but are minor or have very few followers) these are all based on the way of living practised by the Prophet. They are often referred to as Orthodox Islam.
Then there are the Shia, Both Sunni and Shia Muslims share the most fundamental Islamic beliefs and articles of faith. The differences between these two main sub-groups within Islam initially stemmed not from spiritual differences, but political ones.
Over the centuries, however, these political differences have spawned a number of varying practices and positions which have come to carry a spiritual significance.
The division between Shia and Sunni dates back to the death of the Prophet Muhammad, and the question of who was to take over the leadership of the Muslim nation. Sunni Muslims agree with the position taken by many of the Prophet's companions, that the new leader should be elected from among those capable of the job. This is what was done, and the Prophet Muhammad's close friend and advisor, Abu Bakr, became the first Caliph of the Islamic nation. The word "Sunni" in Arabic comes from a word meaning "one who follows the traditions of the Prophet."
On the other hand, some Muslims share the belief that leadership should have stayed within the Prophet's own family, among those specifically appointed by him, or among Imams appointed by God Himself.
The Shia Muslims believe that following the Prophet Muhammad's death, leadership should have passed directly to his cousin/son-in-law, Ali. (The Shia did annoint Ali as the Leader but he had a terrible accident shortly after,....... someone cut his head off)Throughout history, Shia Muslims have not recognized the authority of elected Muslim leaders, choosing instead to follow a line of Imams which they believe have been appointed by the Prophet Muhammad or God Himself.
Shia Muslims believe that the Imam is sinless by nature, and that his authority is infallible as it comes directly from God. Therefore, Shia Muslims often venerate the Imams as saints and perform pilgrimages to their tombs and shrines in the hopes of divine intercession.
Sunni Muslims counter (correctly) that there is no basis in Islam for a hereditary privileged class of spiritual leaders, and certainly no basis for the veneration or intercession of saints. Sunni Muslims contend that leadership of the community is not a birthright, but a trust that is earned and which may be given or taken away by the people themselves.
Sunnis contend that there never was nor should there be anything standing between a person and God (...and as an aside, this is the same God that Christians worship) whereas the Shia believe that the Imams are God's representatives here on earth and slavishly believe / will do anything they say.
Sharia ( "way" or "path") refers to the sacred law of Islam. All Muslims believe Sharia is God's law, but they have differences between themselves as to exactly what it entails.Modernists, traditionalists and fundamentalists all hold different views of Sharia, as do adherents to different schools of Islamic thought and scholarship. As well, just to complicate the matter different countries and cultures have varying interpretations of Sharia, as well.
Muslims believe all Sharia is derived from two primary sources, the divine revelations set forth in the Qur'an, and the sayings and example set by the Islamic Prophet Muhammad in the Sunnah.
Sharia deals with many topics addressed by secular law, including crime, politics and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexuality, hygiene, diet, prayer, and fasting. The problem comes when the Imams of the Shia interperate the laws in a way not set out in the Qur'an, that is where we get the 72 virgins and jihad from.
Sorry for being so long in my reply but it is a very complicated problem.
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