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17th July 2010, 06:33 PM
d2dave

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

providing your oil doesnt boil up, your cooler doesnt block or blow a line, you dont blow a seal, dont have low oil levels, dont get contaminated oil, dont drop a clutch pack, get a sticky acutator, break the flex plate, strip the TC have the sprag clutch slip, break the uni in the propshaft (autos do that too), the kickdown cable doesnt slip or stick, and in the new ones The electronics dont go west.

yep, I can see why they are just so much better than a manual...

just for laughs, lets see who can push start their cars.

to put it on topic... is the vehicle speed staying relative to engine speed as its slowing down... from your description it could be a sticking throttle cable OR the box has been configured for engine braking.

Most of the above doesn't usually happen with a well maintained auto.

Nowdays auto's usually out last a manual gearbox and clutch combination and can be cheaper to overhaul.

Dave.
17th July 2010, 07:27 PM
Tank

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

providing your oil doesnt boil up, your cooler doesnt block or blow a line, you dont blow a seal, dont have low oil levels, dont get contaminated oil, dont drop a clutch pack, get a sticky acutator, break the flex plate, strip the TC have the sprag clutch slip, break the uni in the propshaft (autos do that too), the kickdown cable doesnt slip or stick, and in the new ones The electronics dont go west.

yep, I can see why they are just so much better than a manual...

just for laughs, lets see who can push start their cars.

to put it on topic... is the vehicle speed staying relative to engine speed as its slowing down... from your description it could be a sticking throttle cable OR the box has been configured for engine braking.

So manual boxes don't ever break, burn out a clutch, have a master or slave cylinder go west, jump out of gear. going by posts on this Forum there are more people whinging about their manual g/box, clutch, master/slave cylinder breaking than any other topic.
Point was that a manual would not have pulled that load up that hill, never ever, Regards Frank.
17th July 2010, 07:29 PM
discoveryseries1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

providing your oil doesnt boil up, your cooler doesnt block or blow a line, you dont blow a seal, dont have low oil levels, dont get contaminated oil, dont drop a clutch pack, get a sticky acutator, break the flex plate, strip the TC have the sprag clutch slip, break the uni in the propshaft (autos do that too), the kickdown cable doesnt slip or stick, and in the new ones The electronics dont go west.

yep, I can see why they are just so much better than a manual...

just for laughs, lets see who can push start their cars.

to put it on topic... is the vehicle speed staying relative to engine speed as its slowing down... from your description it could be a sticking throttle cable OR the box has been configured for engine braking.

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HAHAHAHA my auto just failed so I'm paying around 4g to have a 5 speed put in. then i wont get stupid lights flashing telling me that they forgot how to shift gears. all 4 speeds are arguing over wich one gets to go first mean wile back at the ranch im locked in 3rd gear all the way syd-canberra 260 km.

ease of shifting up hill maby, but over all , iv had no joy.
17th July 2010, 07:39 PM
Blknight.aus

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Originally Posted by Mr Whippy

Most of the above doesn't usually happen with a well maintained auto.

Nowdays auto's usually out last a manual gearbox and clutch combination and can be cheaper to overhaul.

Dave.

yes true but lets be honest here.....

how many vehicles out thee that are only ever serviced at dealer ships whilst in warrenty actually have well maintained auto boxes..

my main point being that manuals are a lot more fault tolerant than autos..

(not buying a modern auto being cheaper than a manual to overhaul...) and you dont need the clutch slave or master, they are optional extras to make life easy, kinda like power steering and VAC assist brakes.
17th July 2010, 08:35 PM
d2dave

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Originally Posted by discoveryseries1

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HAHAHAHA my auto just failed so im paying around 4g to have a 5 speed put in. then i wont get stupid lights flashing telling me that they forgot how to shift gears. all 4 speeds are arguing over wich one gets to go first mean wile back at the ranch im locked in 3rd gear all the way syd-canberra 260 km.

ease of shifting up hill maby, but over all , iv had no joy.

At least you could drive it 260 km. When a manual ****'s itself it is usually a tow truck.

Dave.
17th July 2010, 08:39 PM
abaddonxi

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

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to put it on topic... is the vehicle speed staying relative to engine speed as its slowing down... from your description it could be a sticking throttle cable OR the box has been configured for engine braking.

The car behaves like it's fallen out of gear. On the downhill speed increases revs drop to 750. On the flat and uphill it coasts till I accelerate.

So that answer would be no.
17th July 2010, 08:51 PM
F4Phantom

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Originally Posted by Tank

So manual boxes don't ever break, burn out a clutch, have a master or slave cylinder go west, jump out of gear. going by posts on this Forum there are more people whinging about their manual g/box, clutch, master/slave cylinder breaking than any other topic.
Point was that a manual would not have pulled that load up that hill, never ever, Regards Frank.

Your right.
I have never understood why a 4 speed auto is 2 to 3k to rebuild where a manual is 2.5 to 3.5k. Why is a manual box so expensive to rebuild?
17th July 2010, 09:06 PM
d2dave

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Originally Posted by F4Phantom

Your right.
I have never understood why a 4 speed auto is 2 to 3k to rebuild where a manual is 2.5 to 3.5k. Why is a manual box so expensive to rebuild?

Don't forget to add another K for the clutch.

The reason auto's are cheaper is cost of parts. Auto's usually only need clutches, seals and unlike a manual which need bearings the auto usually has bushes.

I am not up to speed on modern autos but an old three speed out of a Falcon had ten clutch plates which you could buy for between 80 cents to a dollar. Add a seal kit around $30 and a few bushes $20 and the rest being labor. The cost of gears in a manual can be quite high.

Dave.
17th July 2010, 10:03 PM
UncleHo

The L322 Range Rover auto I believe is a fully sealed for life box, but they don't like living much past 100,000 miles :( and a replacement box is $$$$$ :eek:
17th July 2010, 10:54 PM
Blknight.aus

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Originally Posted by abaddonxi

The car behaves like it's fallen out of gear. On the downhill speed increases revs drop to 750. On the flat and uphill it coasts till I accelerate.

So that answer would be no.

low oil level/presure or a crcked pickup get a pressure gauge hooked up to the primary pump output on it and see what the pressure is doing

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