how close is too close?

**Pedro_The_Swift** · 27th July 2010, 06:06 PM

Originally Posted by Tank

Common Courtesy and Commonsense dictates that you dip your headlights the instant you see someone ahead of you, whether going away or approaching, the clown that came up with the 200/300? metre rule is some ponce shining his bum in an office of State government and has obviously never had a car on high beam following behind, next bastard that does it to me is going to get more than he bargained for. See someone, DIP, Regards Frank.

Common what and who?
Your attitude to your fellow man would carry more weight without the threat Frank,,

**tony66_au** · 27th July 2010, 06:33 PM

I dip if I can see tail lights, I also look for oncoming light at night because the turret of a car or 4WD will crest a hill before the oncoming vehicles headlights do.

What annoys me though is the amount of people who drive in clear conditions with fog lights on, people who have over powered globes and badly aimed headlights.

Lack of courtesy is huge on the roads and the amount of times Ive driven at night with my rear view mirror dipped is huge!

Sadly though this is only a small part of the idiocy that I see on the roads.

And one brand of car and driver seem to feature........

Tony

**V8Ian** · 28th July 2010, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by Tank

Common Courtesy and Commonsense dictates that you dip your headlights the instant you see someone ahead of you, whether going away or approaching, the clown that came up with the 200/300? metre rule is some ponce shining his bum in an office of State government and has obviously never had a car on high beam following behind, next bastard that does it to me is going to get more than he bargained for. See someone, DIP, Regards Frank.

It dates back to the days of 35W incandesant high beams.

I dip when I see tail lights or the preceeding beams of headlights, regardless of distance.

**UncleHo** · 28th July 2010, 06:58 PM

Don't forget in wonderfull sunny Qld you can legally drive on high beam in a built up area,(with a system of street lights) now, that really #$@*&## me off,high beam at 60-70kph

**Sprint** · 28th July 2010, 07:32 PM

tracked a vehicle against known points on the drive home tonight, i can see seperate taillights (as opposed to one red glow) at 3km and can distinguish the number plate light at 1400m, i think thats a fair distance back to go to low beam.....

**V8Ian** · 28th July 2010, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by UncleHo

Don't forget in wonderfull sunny Qld you can legally drive on high beam in a built up area,(with a system of street lights) now, that really #$@*&## me off,high beam at 60-70kph

If it's the only car on the road, it makes no difference if it's daylight and they're on high beam.

**Tank** · 29th July 2010, 01:42 AM

Originally Posted by Pedro_The_Swift

Common what and who?
Your attitude to your fellow man would carry more weight without the threat Frank,,

Courtesy and Commonsense, qualities you don't see often in drivers anymore Pedro, Regards Frank.

**Tank** · 29th July 2010, 01:45 AM

Originally Posted by V8Ian

It dates back to the days of 35W incandesant high beams.

I dip when I see tail lights or the preceeding beams of headlights, regardless of distance.

Of course, it's Courteous and Commonsense, good to see, Regards Frank.

**JDNSW** · 29th July 2010, 05:59 AM

Originally Posted by UncleHo

Don't forget in wonderfull sunny Qld you can legally drive on high beam in a built up area,(with a system of street lights) now, that really #$@*&## me off,high beam at 60-70kph

May simply reflect the standard of some Queensland street lighting - plus the well known tendency of Qld drivers to ignore speed limits.

John

**incisor** · 29th July 2010, 03:12 PM

your right uncle,

only mention of street lights these days is in the sections regarding stopped vehicles.

when i got my license in the early 70's the rule was no highbeam in built up areas and a built up area was defined as somewhere with street lights..

http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LE...ntOpRURR09.pdf

218 Using headlights on high-beam

(1) The driver of a vehicle must not use the vehicle’s headlights
on high-beam, or allow the vehicle’s headlights to be used on
high-beam, if the driver is driving—
(a) less than 200m behind a vehicle travelling in the same
direction as the driver; or
[s 219]
Transport Operations (Road Use Management—Road Rules) Regulation 2009
Part 13 Lights and warning devices
Reprint 1B effective 16 April 2010 Page 217
(b) less than 200m from an oncoming vehicle.
Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.
(2) However, if the driver is overtaking a vehicle, the driver may
briefly switch the headlights from low-beam to high-beam
immediately before the driver begins to overtake the vehicle.
Examples—
219 Lights not to be used to dazzle other road users
A driver must not use, or allow to be used, any light fitted to
or in the driver’s vehicle to dazzle, or in a way that is likely to
dazzle, another road user.
Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.
220 Using lights on vehicles that are stopped
(1) A driver must not stop on a road at night unless—
Example 1
Using headlights on low-beam when travelling less than 200m behind another vehicle
travelling in the same direction
Example 2
Using headlights on low-beam when travelling within 200m of an oncoming vehicle
[s 221]
Transport Operations (Road Use Management—Road Rules) Regulation 2009
Part 13 Lights and warning devices
Page 218 Reprint 1B effective 16 April 2010
(a) if the driver’s vehicle is 2.2m wide, or wider—the
clearance and side marker lights fitted to the vehicle are
operating effectively and are clearly visible; or
(b) in any other case—the parking lights fitted to the
driver’s vehicle are operating effectively and are clearly
visible.
Maximum penalty—20 penalty units.
(2) This section does not apply to a driver if the driver stops on a
length of road, or in an area, with street lighting and the
driver’s vehicle is visible for at least 200m in all directions
from the vehicle.
(3) In subsection (1), a reference to a kind of light fitted to a
vehicle is a reference to a light of that kind required or
permitted to be fitted to the vehicle under the Standards and
Safety Regulation.

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