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    The perfect 4WD?

    Land Rover Owner International magazine in its June issue listed what it considered should be the specifications for the next Defender due in 2014 and now being designed at LR. The mag also published some nice concept drawings but I can't find a link to show them from the mag's site.
    Here are the specs:

    T5(Discovery 4) chassis
    100, 114 and 130 inch wheelbase derivatives
    Four cylinder diesel, TDV6 and hybrid power units
    Six speed manual or auto gearbox; two -speed transfer case
    16 inch wheels
    Lockable centre, front and rear differentials
    Coil-sprung independent suspension
    Five-seat versions in all three wheelbases with a seven seat station wagon in the 114. Double cabs on the 114 and 130.
    Side hinged rear door with spare wheel mount.
    ECU housings rated to IP67 (water and diust ingres)
    Built-in diagnostic software
    Modular accessory system
    Tyre pressure monitoring system with built-in, on the fly inflation facility
    700mm wading depth
    45 degree approach angle and 40 degree departure angle

    Sounds excellent. If they build that, with current Disco reliability, and keep the price down to near current Defender levels, it should be a massive sales hit.
    Whattayourekon?

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    Yep, got the mag, looks really good. The price will be interesting if they actually stick to the specs.

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    When did they go to independant suspension?

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    I see some significant problems with their proposed vehicle, some of which may relate to the drawing rather than the idea.

    1. insufficient clearance between wheel arches and tyres - indicating either limited suspension travel or inadequate clearance for buildup of blacksoil.

    2. All glass should be flat, and the windscreen looks to be sloped too much.

    3. It is essential to have flat floors with no sill, as on all Series/Defender Landrovers.

    The increase in wheelbase is probably inevitable with making the seat spaces fit 21st century body sizes instead of mid twentieth century sizes. One would also hope that the concentration on making use of space would minimise protruding wheel arches rather than increase them as the pictures show. The ideal would be no such wasteful protrusions, as with the Series 1/2/3.

    But what should be emphasised is that this is not a design - it is a concept sketch! Any real life vehicle involves vastly more work, and the final design will be a compromise between what marketing thinks the customer wants, what the engineers want, and what the bean counters say can be economically built.

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    Yeah, flat floors and windows would be essential.
    I assume the wheels in the drawing are just exaggerated to look good and not what would really happen.

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    I'd like live axles,hypoid centres,manual or auto,2.7TDV6 and to be no heavier than the current model.It has to look like a defender,not like a rebodied disco such as the RRS. Pat

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    I found this picture doing an image search, i cant say how authentic it is but it looks the part.

    The picture on the LR mag site with ICON written in the corner is a fake, its a Ford Bronco concept, they photo-shopped a LR badge on it lol.


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    As for what id like to see;

    Solid axles, RR 3.6l TD V8, 6dp man, F & R Diff locks, Coil suspension, galv chassis, improved interior, waterproofed electrics, 5yr/300 000KM warranty.

    Comprehensive LR official options, Snorkel, Barwork, Winch, suspension upgrades etc.

    Get the bloody thing engineered and tested to death before release.

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    R.I.P. (the traditional, rugged, no frills, simple to service and maintain 4WD. Killed by electrocution.)

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    As much as I love the defender look - I would like to incorporate a larger rear door size - just to make fit out of the rear with draws and frig much more usable
    at least say 50 mm on each side and the inclusion of an auto box will make it more salable to other half - looking forward to it

    Defenderly Peter

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