Thread: Whats everyones opinions on new 4wd vehicles.

The OKA is a great truck but horrendously priced new...$125k plus plus plus. I seriously looked at the Mitsubishi short wheel based Canter 4X4.

A compnay sells them with modified suspension, new suspension seats, tray and offroad tyres...singles on rear and these things will go anywhere. Size is like 50mm longer than a Landcruiser ute but obviously taller..priced at $75k I was sold..unfortunately the boss wasn't.

It is a 6.5T truck that they change the badge on to make it a 4T which can be driven on a standard licence. The great advantage is that even fully loaded for say a Simpson trip, chassis, suspension etc it is only operating at a low percentage of its capability as it is really a 6.5T.

Most standard 4WD are either way over their GVM or right on the limit on such a trip, with no safety margin. Chassis, suspension, axles are all maxed out and surprise surprise, stuff breaks.

I am still working on mrs nugget who was ready for a "small" truck but not yet ready for a "big" truck

Originally Posted by nugge t

The OKA is a great truck but horrendously priced new...$125k plus plus plus. I seriously looked at the Mitsubishi short wheel based Canter 4X4.

A compnay sells them with modified suspension, new suspension seats, tray and offroad tyres...singles on rear and these things will go anywhere. Size is like 50mm longer than a Landcruiser ute but obviously taller..priced at $75k I was sold..unfortunately the boss wasn't.

It is a 6.5T truck that they change the badge on to make it a 4T which can be driven on a standard licence. The great advantage is that even fully loaded for say a Simpson trip, chassis, suspension etc it is only operating at a low percentage of its capability as it is really a 6.5T.

Most standard 4WD are either way over their GVM or right on the limit on such a trip, with no safety margin. Chassis, suspension, axles are all maxed out and surprise surprise, stuff breaks.

I am still working on mrs nugget who was ready for a "small" truck but not yet ready for a "big" truck

Well said, they ARE a great rig the Canter. Fireys are very happy with them, as the Hino becomes more popular it too will be more available, another excellent 'small' truck. Best thing is the price. A customer of mine sold his P38a as he bought a trailer boat over 4 tons, and bought a 4x4 Scitec Isuzu dual cab trayback, dealer had a special going, cost him $3k LESS than a LC200, on the road!!!

Have thought of these myself, but still to many$$ for me

JC

Originally Posted by JDNSW

As far as Landrover is concerned, this market is now filled by the Freelander, although it is not generally considered as suitable for thisw role in Australia.

But then, Australia is a very small market for Landrover! Not like 1950!

John

A freelander will do the job of a D1/2?

If that's what they think,tell em their dreamin.

And also don't let em waste R&D producing what we & i am sure other markets would like,as that market is already full,with Prado's,pajero's,made in Korea things,numerous brands of dual cab utes,etc.

Originally Posted by Hymie

Where did hear that?
I'd put an order in if I could.

hope the driving position is the same as the disco.....will be a real winner.

I am deeply suspicious and mistrusting of pretty much all new vehicles on the market tbh. There is far too much reliance on technology, and this is killing reliability and ownership costs. This technology is being used frequently to compensate for laziness...turning on headlights and wipers for you, heads-up displays, seat memories, multi-zone climate control, adjustable suspension, blah blah.

All of these sound nice, but at some point (often sooner than later), these items and their computer modules will die. The customer comes in screaming because their $40k or $250k vehicle isn't working and has not met their expectations. The response when seeing a quote for replacement can be enough to make you cower under your desk!

No vehicle will be 100% perfect, but having worked on tools and been in parts for a number of marques over the years, I have seen a steady rise in recalls, failures, and horror stories. I can safely say that there is no way I'll buy a new car.

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Originally Posted by slug_burner

Come on guys, the D3/D4 is the most awarded 4x4 ever.

Maybe so. But who in their right mind would take one seriously off road. Electronic bloody everything, if you managed to drown one crossing a creek, hells bells you'd never get the thing going again.....ever. You'd toss in a match and claim the insurance.
And for 19" wheels, you've got to be joking. About as off road capable as a Toyota Starlet!

Originally Posted by slug_burner

Yes, engineering is about tackling the things that will give you the greatest return

No. Engineering is about tackling problems and coming up with practical cost effective solutions. The D4's about as practical off road as an XJ-12 Jaguar, but great for taking the kids to school.

Originally Posted by slug_burner

All you blokes that want to be able to repair your vehicle with a bit of fencing wire ................... People have moved on from where Len Beadell was in the 50's.

Nothing to do with Len Beadell or fencing wire. As the engineers play with themselves (or their I-pods) 4WD's have become more complex not more reliable. Making hairdressers cars is not engineering it's marketing.


Met a group of off roaders at Dalhousie Springs a couple of years ago, they were heading North towards Jervois. 60 series Land Cruisers and Troopys, 1H and 2H engines and split rims with 7.50X16's. Not flash but probably the most reliable 4WD's ever built. Try taking your 4WD of the year through this lot and see how far you'll get.
4WD 'engineering' may have become more about how many electronic do-hickys can be sold to a gullible prospective buyer than real off road capability and that may be where the main market is, but don't confuse this crap with real off road engineering or capability.

Deano

Sorry Deano, but I know several. D3/D4 owners who have done just that and more without any issues.
2 of which were towing campers.

Dads D3 has had zero issues from new. Tows my boat when available and gets offroad often climbing rock tracks. It's brilliant.