Cattle back in the VicHigh Country

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Originally Posted by Xtreme

So where did that come from? Something to do with the 'emotions' maybe? :o

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Just being naughty.:p It's the opposite extreme of perfect management.

I just wish the answer was easier. Cattle did not co-evolve with Australian flora so they will do damage that native fauna won't. I realise achieving a faithful recreation of past conditions is impossible but there must be a better way of managing the national parks. Hopefully the fallout from this episode will bring some action on the poor state of the parks but I doubt the pollies are listening...

Cattle have co-evolved in the area for over 150 years.
I have already suggested a better way of managing the area - maybe not ideal but better than what has been practised during recent years.

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Originally Posted by mox

...the likes of isuzurover, who lives in Perth area ...

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I live in brisbane. I have spent a reasonable amount of time driving/hiking in the high country. None of that is relevant however.

Most of your posts in this thread are emotive rants against scientists and government authorities. I am yet to see where you have refuted any of the scientific studies.

Xtreme - evolution takes longer than 150 years...

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

I live in brisbane. I have spent a reasonable amount of time driving/hiking in the high country. None of that is relevant however.

Most of your posts in this thread are emotive rants against scientists and government authorities. I am yet to see where you have refuted any of the scientific studies.

Xtreme - evolution takes longer than 150 years...

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But every year, month, day, minute etc is part of that process.

This argument is an absolute joke.
Evolution has come into it now??

Go to any random paddock or bush area where cattle roam and it is always trashed and full of weeds.
Go to any alpine region and it is obvious what a delicate ecosystem it is.
Put the two together??
You don't need to be an expert or genius to see that cattle have no place in those regions, its called common sense.

No im not from Victoria, im not a fire fighter or scientist or a cow cocky - I just have a brain in my head.

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Originally Posted by ashhhhh

.....Go to any random paddock or bush area where cattle roam and it is always trashed and full of weeds..

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Really ??????

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Originally Posted by ashhhhh

No im not from Victoria, im not a fire fighter or scientist or a cow cocky - I just have a brain in my head.

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and my eyes and mind firmly shut

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Originally Posted by ashhhhh

This argument is an absolute joke.
Evolution has come into it now??

Go to any random paddock or bush area where cattle roam and it is always trashed and full of weeds.
Go to any alpine region and it is obvious what a delicate ecosystem it is.
Put the two together??
You don't need to be an expert or genius to see that cattle have no place in those regions, its called common sense.

No im not from Victoria, im not a fire fighter or scientist or a cow cocky - I just have a brain in my head.

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We are talking about the Alpine areas of Victoria here. I am old enough to say I have literally spent tens of thousands of hours there. I know what my experience in the area is, I have seen the area with cattle and without. Give me cattle in the high country any time. Talk of cattle destroying delicate eco systems is absolute rubbish. People with out experience should just keep their mouths shut.
This is all about politics and the Labour Party promises to the Greens, nothing else and certainly not about the damage cattle may or may not do to any eco system.

Ian

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Originally Posted by amtravic1

We are talking about the Alpine areas of Victoria here. I am old enough to say I have literally spent tens of thousands of hours there. I know what my experience in the area is, I have seen the area with cattle and without. Give me cattle in the high country any time. Talk of cattle destroying delicate eco systems is absolute rubbish. People with out experience should just keep their mouths shut.
This is all about politics and the Labour Party promises to the Greens, nothing else and certainly not about the damage cattle may or may not do to any eco system.

Ian

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x2^ ...... Exactly.

And if the Greens get their way, it won't only be the cattle that are eliminated from the Alpine areas either ................... mark my words.

Are you 150 years old Ian?
Did you get to see the area before cattle were introduced?
Have you seen a pristine alpine environment?
Compare the two.

Then again what am I on about, theres still bushes and grass and stuff.. Its exactly the same!

Schmezz, no close minded attitude from me mate - though theres a bunch on this forum, most targeting anything even vaguely environmentally friendly.
Makes me worry about the Australia that my kids are gonna end up with.

Not sure if this is appropriate, but think it will be of interest. It's not about alpine Victoria, and I'm not a farmer.

I own 100ha of land near Windeyer, NSW a friend owns about 5000ha near Comboyne, NSW. Both areas were settled by white people about the same time - 1860-70. Both properties have been owned by our families for about forty years. I have a pretty good idea about what's been done on both in that time.

Now to some differences- I'm at 950m they're at 600m. Mine has been ungrazed, uncultivated and barely visited for forty years, theirs has had people living there for twenty of the forty years and frequent visits the rest of the time.

The big difference - The boundary I share with the sheep is on the top of a very steep hill and has a decent fence, the sheep have grazed hard up to the wire. Their neighbour runs loose bush cattle that cross the river between the properties at will. There are also some wild dogs and semi-wild horse that come and go.

Their property is covered in blackberry, lantana, blade grass, you name it.

My place has nothing. The local council are obsessed with it because it is one of the few completely untouched pieces of bushland in the area and they want to keep it that way. There's one stand of blade grass.

This isn't some green pride thing, my family more or less bought the land and forgot about it until I bought them out five years ago.

I don't necessarily know that the difference is cattle, they have a huge amount more coming and going, and their neighbours are a lot closer.