Need a Job?

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Originally Posted by Hymie

Yeah the Mines might be hiring, but try applying for a job there when you are over 40, don't hold a Union ticket, have none of the skills they require and don't know anybody on "The Inside", talk about Mission Impossible!
Meanwhile Skilled Migrants can come in on a Visa and get jobs **** easy.
I'm willing to learn, I just need a fair go.
I NEED A FULL TIME JOB!!!

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yeppa that right, those bloody mines are just full of Vietnamese and Afghani boat people, stealing all the good jobs from the unskilled aussies.

Mate go get the skill then get the job, its not the responsibility of industry or the government to up skill you. sheesh that would be like buying a new car and having a shovel delivered with instructions on how to locate iron ore.

i think Australian manufacturing really needs something done - like maybe good governance (ha ha ha as if thats going to happen). We have high wages etc so it makes it expensive to make what ever it is they are making.
you look at germany, and they also have high wages, but they also have stink load more population that can buy their own product, and they have the reputation world over for being the best at whatever (whether this is true or not).

i quit like my Falcodores, as they are damb cheap 2nd hand and very cheap to service maintain. my wifes 4.0L 6cyl Falcon costs a lot less than my 2.5l 4Cyl Xtrail, as parts etc are available everywhere and cheap. try finding a door handle bracket for an Xtrail - wreckers just look at you as if you are from another planet. If i said Falon, they would have a whole box of em.

I think the Aus government really needs to do someting, as mentioned, we are way too reliant on other countries for almost everything we buy. I would really like to buy and wear Australian made stuff, but its hard to find.

My wife tries to buy Aus made where she can - she was in Woolies and spent 5minutes trying to find Australian made Olive oil, it was on the bottom shelf hidden behind a sign, and it was also CHEAPER than the Woolies homebrand product!

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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

Absolute BS. Try exporting new cars to Japan. Almost no chance. The whole US motor industry with congressional support could not break down these barricades.

I believe trade should be two way. You buy our crap, we buy yours.

There should be mandatory second stage processing within Australia of our produce and natural resources where possible. Iron ore and coal smelted into as a minimum pig iron. Raw sugar refined. Wool scoured and spun. Likewise cotton. Alumina turned into aluminium, aluminium turned into product. I could keep going. Employ our people not foreigners. Ban 457 visas. Force industry to train Australians.

I am getting off the soapbox and off to bed.

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You've mirrored my sentiments with this and your previous post Brian, are we secret brothers?......I doubt it, could you be my Dad? :p

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

I did not state that cars were legislated off the road, I said they were all but legislated off the road. The legislated maintenance/financial requirements of five year old cars artificially stimulates the sale of new cars. .

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Just like government subsidies for Holden artificially lower the cost of a commodore. Or the fact that Australia played with ARDs to Taylor make them to suite commodores and disadvantage any real competition. To artificially stimulate the sale of new cars?

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

No, but i do believe that all Toyota's profits are returned to Japan. .

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NO i would say that all of Toyotas profits are returned to Toyota share holders. That would be organizations like GENERAL MOTORS and little old ME!

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Originally Posted by V8Ian

The rego cost v dimentional attributes makes owning an Australian or American style of car well beyond the realm of the average Japanese driver.

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Correct, so why don’t we produce a car that is particle and appealing to the Japanese market?
AND get this! What model Toyota is made in the US and shipped to Japan for local consumption? If the yanks can do it why cant we?

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Originally Posted by 85 county

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Mate go get the skill then get the job, its not the responsibility of industry or the government to up skill you. sheesh that would be like buying a new car and having a shovel delivered with instructions on how to locate iron ore.

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If industry in general had faced up to their responsibility to train workers then they would not now be in the situation of a shortage of skilled workers. No apprentices means no tradesmen in the future.

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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

If industry in general had faced up to their responsibility to train workers then they would not now be in the situation of a shortage of skilled workers. No apprentices means no tradesmen in the future.

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Well I do agree with that, but my earlier comment was about skills in general and not solely trades persons.

Not every one can be a trades person

If industry does not want to train workers of any skill level then they can hardly complain when they can't get workers with the required skills and experience. Lots of unemployed youth could be youth trainees learning basic industrial skills.

You want them, you have to teach them. no-one else is going to do it for you.

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Originally Posted by 85 county

yeppa that right, those bloody mines are just full of Vietnamese and Afghani boat people, stealing all the good jobs from the unskilled aussies.

Mate go get the skill then get the job, its not the responsibility of industry or the government to up skill you. sheesh that would be like buying a new car and having a shovel delivered with instructions on how to locate iron ore.

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Ummm, thats not exactly what I'm trying to say, but I do appreciate sarcasm.
I was in the Army for 15 years and have run my own business quite sucessfully until Government funding to community transport basically put me out of business.
I can do many things, but to get a decent job in the mines, where the money is and our National future seems to be, is out of my reach. People are coming in on a 459 Visa to fill a job in the Mining Industry because there are not enough skilled Australians to fill jobs. I'm prepared to learn the skills but getting a foot in the door at 46 is nigh on impossible. Believe me, I've spent hours on the phone trying.

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Originally Posted by Hymie

Ummm, thats not exactly what I'm trying to say, but I do appreciate sarcasm.
I was in the Army for 15 years and have run my own business quite sucessfully until Government funding to community transport basically put me out of business.
I can do many things, but to get a decent job in the mines, where the money is and our National future seems to be, is out of my reach. People are coming in on a 459 Visa to fill a job in the Mining Industry because there are not enough skilled Australians to fill jobs. I'm prepared to learn the skills but getting a foot in the door at 46 is nigh on impossible. Believe me, I've spent hours on the phone trying.

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Although it is illegal, age discrimination is rampant out there in the workforce. I was told by a former senior CES officer, now employed by a "Job Service Provider" that if you are over forty and offered a job, take it. No matter what it is. It will likely be the only one you will be offered. Doesn't matter if it is not in your chosen skill or profession, doesn't matter if it is well below your expectations, take it.

He was employed in professional placements and said he found it hard to tell men who had enjoyed higher level well paid jobs that they were unlikely to get that sort of job ever again. Younger people with degrees but no experience or practical knowledge climbed over them with their pieces of paper, and, were cheaper.

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Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

Although it is illegal, age discrimination is rampant out there in the workforce. I was told by a former senior CES officer, now employed by a "Job Service Provider" that if you are over forty and offered a job, take it. No matter what it is. It will likely be the only one you will be offered. Doesn't matter if it is not in your chosen skill or profession, doesn't matter if it is well below your expectations, take it.

He was employed in professional placements and said he found it hard to tell men who had enjoyed higher level well paid jobs that they were unlikely to get that sort of job ever again. Younger people with degrees but no experience or practical knowledge climbed over them with their pieces of paper, and, were cheaper.

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Cheaper in the short term but by the time they've made a few ill considered costly mistakes, age and experience will win hands down.
Currently I am holding down 4 casual jobs, I've had as many a 6 on the go.
Luckily the employers all try to work around whatever other jobs I have and I can be a bit flexible.