Australian tanks being (re) assembled.

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Originally Posted by 87County

don't mean to be a pedant, but

It is named after General Creighton Abrams, former Army Chief of Staff and Commander of US military forces in Vietnam from 1968 to 1972

M1 Abrams - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

they could've calles it Patton or Eisenhower or something easy I guess :)

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They couldn't have named it a Patton tank, cause they already named one that! :D

BTW WWII Tank battalion commander Lt Col. Creighton Abrams is the same person as Vietnam era General Creighton Abrams, but Gen. Abrams did not relieve Bastogne in the Battle of the Bulge and it was in that battle that he won his second DSC.

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Originally Posted by D mac

Just my 2Cents worth.
Leopard = Multi fuel engine (works on anything that will ignite)
Abrahams = Turbine requires top class diesel only (and heaps of it)
makes you wonder in difficult situations in a theatre of war can the required fuel be supplied to this tank

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Our deal with the yanks was for the tanks and tankers to follow them with fuel but in theory you can refuel with diesel from a servo, yeh right:D

ADM: Abrams wins Army tank contest

8 tactical fuel tankers to follow them around para 18 I think:o

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

I thought our Abrams are designed as training aids and if our tankies are deployed, they will be supplied with Abrams in-theatre from US stock. Hence no need for the additional armour protection.

Is that not the case?
Turbines work on JetA1 - the same fuel as used in Blackhawk helicopters and FA18. In this day and age who's army would go in-theatre without air support?

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I heard the Greenies objected to the DU. Not sure if that's true....but if it compromises the integrity of the armour....and I'm not saying it does, or the story is true but if so, maybe they should sit in the tank while it gets hammered by kinetic penetrators and plasma bolts.....:mad:

Jet turbines can run on lots of stuff....as long as it's Kero/Diesel'ish in flavour.

The old Huey manuals quoted standard diesel as an alternate fuel....of course it shags the 'Hot-end' of the engine in that case but you could design the engine to run diesel.

I think the Yanks invented AVTAG....which is a hybrid....it will run aircarft, trucks and tanks. One fuel supply....lots of vehicles.

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Originally Posted by THE BOOGER

Our deal with the yanks was for the tanks and tankers to follow them with fuel but in theory you can refuel with diesal from a servo, yeh right:D

ADM: Abrams wins Army tank contest

8 tactical fuel tankers to follow them around para 18 I think:o

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Mate thanks for that, I hadn't read that article before.

Maybe it lends evidence to the post I'd made earlier, regarding hearing that the US M1s had to run at high RPM even when stationary....an APU would take that need away...of course you'd want a Jet Turbine that comes up to operational temps and pressures real quick, should you need to move and start the main engine.....:confused:....generally Jets aren't too good on that front.

And no DU rounds???.....I hope Tungsten works as well as DU does......It lacks the density....but maybe hardness compensates......

Tungstun works very well not as good as DU but as far as I know the only tanks tungston will not penetrate are the m1 and challanger may be the leopard 2 as it also has chobham amour:)

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Originally Posted by Celtoid

Mate thanks for that, I hadn't read that article before.

Maybe it lends evidence to the post I'd made earlier, regarding hearing that the US M1s had to run at high RPM even when stationary....an APU would take that need away...of course you'd want a Jet Turbine that comes up to operational temps and pressures real quick, should you need to move and start the main engine.....:confused:....generally Jets aren't too good on that front.

And no DU rounds???.....I hope Tungsten works as well as DU does......It lacks the density....but maybe hardness compensates......

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Most turbines idle at a minium of 60%, well thats the ones that do variable speed most applications power plants turbo props helicopters the the turbine runs at a set set speed and the amount of torque/load is the thing that varies.