Thread: Carbon Tax. Well someone had to bring it up!

Originally Posted by Marshall

I don't know, we could always do a Tony and try to scare everybody with as much negativity and lies that no one knows the truth any more. (more lies out of Tony than Julia by the way)

But I feel that instead of compensating people for the possibility of big companies passing the costs on (by compensating "9 out of 10" families, I think this actually gives the big companies an open book to pass on whatever costs they want) why don't they put that money into the R&D sector, develop viable alternatives (they ARE there) and eventually competition will tell the big companies that if they pass on too many costs, they will lose customers.

There is a lot of hollow comments and scare mongering coming out of the big companies (and the opposition party)... "we will export our jobs overseas!" and "The world will end!" Well it didn't end when they started with GST and it didn't end when compulsory super came in, and guess what? IT WON'T END NOW!

The problem with all of the scare mongering is, it blinds us all of the facts and impairs a well informed decision. Now do we believe a liar like Julia or the worlds most negative person Tony?

Yes Stevo, I voted for Julia because I cannot stand the utter negativity and even more lies and bully tactics that comes out of Tony

Well theres a silly concept A business passing its costs onto the consumer

Business is there to make money - full stop. Business doesn't work for the love of it - they are called Charities

If Steel makers have more cost in manufacturing they will charge more for their steel products...

If people wont pay local market pricing then they will import from China...
If they import then business in Australia & local jobs are no longer viable..

Did the GST cost jobs?... Yes it did, in some ways... Look at the time frame, many companies began OS manufacture since then. Part is due to tax, other is local wages etc are far higher than China, India, Thailand etc.

There are not viable technologies to match demand in several industries.

Just look at the performance specs from Wind and Solar farms...
They can NOT sustain demand now, let alone in the future...

Look at Steelmaking - There was a post about replacement for Blast furnaces - HISmelt technology.

Well the local ones been turned off. Not economically viable since the GFC...

Hopefully it will develop soon, but we will remain un competitive to China production for a long time yet...

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Then in that case I am doing more than most of the others in this place, because I have saved the planet from all of the emissions of my future generations.

How green is that?

I have been so environmentally aware that I can personally produce as much GHG as I want and still have less impact on global warming than any of you breeders out there!

What would the old Liberal Treasurer Peter Costello say! Not having one for the country!
SHAME ON YOU!

Originally Posted by Tombie

Well theres a silly concept A business passing its costs onto the consumer

Business is there to make money - full stop. Business doesn't work for the love of it - they are called Charities

Did the GST cost jobs?... Yes it did, in some ways... Look at the time frame, many companies began OS manufacture since then. Part is due to tax, other is local wages etc are far higher than China, India, Thailand etc.

Just look at the performance specs from Wind and Solar farms...
They can NOT sustain demand now, let alone in the future...

Well, since you mentioned the GFC The government is not a charity either, so maybe we should just duck down to the mint and ask them to print enough money to get us out of debt? or else we could move to Greece...

Jobs lost due to GST? big assumption there. China was a viable cheap alternative since way before GST was introduced...

As far as the technology goes, there is not a lot of profit in it for the big oil and mining companies, so that's why they say it's not there and you believe it! For example: Electric cars have been around since the war, but oh no, the Prearse technology is so advanced... my foot!

I hear alot about the negetivity and scaremongering of the liberals but what side is saying that that whole countries will dissappear, tens of millions will be homeless, the great barrier reef will disappear the world will never be the same? So who are the bigger scaremongers
I dont think a carbon tax as we are getting will stop the "big polluters" at least not while we dont do anything, we use the electricty we drive cars and buy the imports from high polluting countries but without lowering our standards I cant see things getting better anytime soon And I like most people dont what to give up my landrover or anything else I have worked for

Originally Posted by Marshall

<snip>so that's why they say it's not there and you believe it! For example: Electric cars have been around since the war, but oh no, the Prearse technology is so advanced... my foot!

How long before we have some electric B-Doubles?

Can you imagine a hybrid road train? The "A" trailer would have to be full of batteries.

I'm all for electrification of the national rail network, but who owns most of the rails? The government (state and federal), and they don't seem to be installing any electric catenary over their track.

But if you electrify the rail network who generates the power for it the, govt owned coal fired generators

Originally Posted by THE BOOGER

But if you electrify the rail network who generates the power for it the, govt owned coal fired generators

No it will be powered by the solar power stations that haven't yet seen the light of day, similarly the Govt seems cold on the idea of building geo-thermal stations and the wave action generation technology that is still beached.

Diana

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

No it will be powered by the solar power stations that haven't yet seen the light of day, similarly the Govt seems cold on the idea of building geo-thermal stations and the wave action generation technology that is still beached.

Diana

Diana - I think you have found a new career - writing one-liners for Andrew Bolt