Carbon Tax. Well someone had to bring it up!

DiscoMick · 20th July 2011, 07:24 AM

I think part of the reason so many people are unhappy is that almost everyone who is not in mining is doing it tough and feeling nervous about their jobs. The Reserve Bank raised interest rates too high, that sucked in foreign money and inflated the value of our $ to an unsustainable level and it has made it tough for anyone exporting or competing with imported products. Really, we need interest rates to drop maybe a percent and the $ to drop to about US80 cents. However, the American economy is so weak that they are letting their dollar fall to stimulate it, so that's working against us.
If the non-mining economy was doing better the carbon tax's 0.7% increase in the CPI would be absorbed without much of a blip, I think. After all, when the GST was introduced it raised the CPI by 4% in one hit and the sky didn't fall in. Times were better then.

**Chucaro** · 20th July 2011, 08:13 AM

Originally Posted by Ean Austral

Are you still talking about carbon Tax or are we now on the Mining Tax.

Cheers Ean

Carbon Tax

**Hoges** · 20th July 2011, 08:53 AM

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**slug_burner** · 20th July 2011, 11:05 PM

Originally Posted by Hoges

http://kzoo.co/VyQHed

weaponised cabon tax

loss of sovereignty to banking cartels trading on an Enron devised carbo cassino to strip mine Australia

thief in the night

one world government

Is this a spoof?

Conspiracy???

**Scallops** · 21st July 2011, 01:10 AM

So many opinions. So much confusion. For those (Drivesafe et al) looking for discussion of substance in relation to the science behind the government's action......

http://www.skepticalscience.com/

How can anyone judge the merit of this proposed legislation without understanding the fundamental arguments that relate to it's premise?

What a funny old place this is!

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**Ferret** · 21st July 2011, 12:55 PM

Interesting analysis of the 'Direct Action' alternative policy to the so called 'carbon tax' here - A close look at Abbott's Direct Action plan

"The take-home message is simple. The Coalition's plan is based on incomplete science, dubious economics and breath-taking political expediency. It will be hugely expensive. It won't cut carbon emissions. It won't even lead to lower taxes. And it will still introduce a shadow price for carbon."

Which ever way this goes, either through labor or through the coalition it is going to cost. Labor fund it through a 'tax', the coalition fund it through 'savings', which of course means there is less to spend elsewhere. Or maybe you just raise other unrelated taxes.

I think I will take the most transparent way of doing it and just pay up front as a 'carbon tax'. Even Abbot has conceded this to be the simplest way.

DiscoMick · 21st July 2011, 04:47 PM

It's about time someone put the focus on Abbott for a change. He's had a dream run from News Corp., which is obsessed with bagging Gillard everytime she blows her nose, but ignores the glaring gaps and inconsistencies in Abbott's statements. Even Malcolm Turnbull fingered Abbott correctly on the carbon tax, but News Corp. downplayed that.
News Corp is the elephant in the dining room. It demonstrates how a lack of competition in the media has narrowed the information people receive.

**Chucaro** · 21st July 2011, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

It's about time someone put the focus on Abbott for a change. He's had a dream run from News Corp., which is obsessed with bagging Gillard everytime she blows her nose, but ignores the glaring gaps and inconsistencies in Abbott's statements. Even Malcolm Turnbull fingered Abbott correctly on the carbon tax, but News Corp. downplayed that.
News Corp is the elephant in the dining room. It demonstrates how a lack of competition in the media has narrowed the information people receive.

**ATH** · 21st July 2011, 06:05 PM

I've got a rellie works for the USGS and they are very sceptical that climate change/global warming, call it what you want, is anything to do with mans activites.
She has been measuring the glaciers in Chile (I think it's there) and reports that some are retreating but overall they are increasing. This is something the warmists won't tell you, they'll only shout about the decreasing areas.
Same with the polar ice caps, some are decreasing and other areas increasing.
And don't be conned by Gillard and her henchmen spouting about what others in the World are doing with carbon credits etc., mostly they're a big con making a few (like Gore and the Indian head of the IPCC) very rich indeed.
Like our carbon tax they'll allow the big polluters to pass on the cost and keep polluting while the Gov shovels heaps of our hard earned into crap schemes, or passes many billions to poor so called developing countries to help their leaders fill their bank accounts in Switzerland and other secretive banking countries.
Most of the leading climate studiers like the USGS are not convinced that taxation is the way to stop pollution even if it has no effect on our climate. What a huge body of the Worlds top scientists and us ordinary people thinks is that ALL pollution should be controlled with very heavy penalties for offenders.
I and many others I've spoken to think climate is something even the big headed egotists in Canberra and other Govs can't control!
But what you, or I, or billions of other think won't change the thinking of the warmist schemers or the money grabbers in parliament.

AlanH.

**slug_burner** · 21st July 2011, 06:33 PM

Originally Posted by ATH

I've got a rellie works for the USGS and they are very sceptical that climate change/global warming, call it what you want, is anything to do with mans activites.
She has been measuring the glaciers in Chile (I think it's there) and reports that some are retreating but overall they are increasing. This is something the warmists won't tell you, they'll only shout about the decreasing areas.
Same with the polar ice caps, some are decreasing and other areas increasing.
And don't be conned by Gillard and her henchmen spouting about what others in the World are doing with carbon credits etc., mostly they're a big con making a few (like Gore and the Indian head of the IPCC) very rich indeed.
Like our carbon tax they'll allow the big polluters to pass on the cost and keep polluting while the Gov shovels heaps of our hard earned into crap schemes, or passes many billions to poor so called developing countries to help their leaders fill their bank accounts in Switzerland and other secretive banking countries.
Most of the leading climate studiers like the USGS are not convinced that taxation is the way to stop pollution even if it has no effect on our climate. What a huge body of the Worlds top scientists and us ordinary people thinks is that ALL pollution should be controlled with very heavy penalties for offenders.
I and many others I've spoken to think climate is something even the big headed egotists in Canberra and other Govs can't control!
But what you, or I, or billions of other think won't change the thinking of the warmist schemers or the money grabbers in parliament.

AlanH.

So how many polar caps do you think there are?

The whole point is to have goods that are carbon producing intensive become more expensive (pass the costs on) so that you the consumer will make the choice not to buy these products. You will then seek out the products produced with less carbon producing methods.

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