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    Does anyone know what the worldwide sales figures for the Defender series was for say year 2010? That Defender is a true Icon is arguable these days. And I doubt that too many new RangeRover/Disco buyers do so based on memories of seeing Series and Defender vehicles in old African Safari documentrys.
    I also doubt that Defender has any chance of recapturing any decent market share that Rover surrendered to the Japanese from as far back as the mid 1970s. So for the relatively small numbers that Defender, still with a poor international reputation for overall reliability, will sell, does it really make sound business sense to keep it in production? My guess is that it will be axed, although my wish is that they will let some proper engineers have a go at redesigning it with decent strong driveline, mechanical difflocks and straight forward simple easy to field repair mechanicals. and a driving position suitable for normal sized humans, not undernourished 195 one.

    There's no way it will be axed, just read the press report from the LR CO.
    As for gaining new grounds over the japs doubtful as land rover pay higher duty as per European trade rules, the Asian countries get a better deal, Toyota build the hilux in Thailand as do ford the new Focus, so maybe you may see
    land rover being built there one day, land rover have a great opportunity here
    to market the new defender to those buyers who passed it by in the past, they
    will love it's new looks, it's air bags, it's built in sat nav, it's leather seats, and
    will choose the defender now as they believe it to be a iconic vehicle, and that
    heritage alone will ensure many sales world wide.












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    Last figures I saw said that about 20 000 Defenders were made in 2010.

    A replacement would have to flop very badly to do worse than the current vehicle.

    Has been said before that if the UK farmers stopped buying them production would stop instantly.

    Figures below are civilian sales in 2009. Not saying it is a complete list however does give some idea of who buys them.

    UK 5,271
    Italy 1,600
    Pakistan 1,553
    Germany 1,343
    France 1015
    Spain 770
    South Africa 760
    Belgium 411
    Russia 393
    Australia 383
    Switzerland 297
    Austria 293
    Netherlands 166
    Brazil 162
    Norway 129
    Eire 63
    Sweden 55
    Romania 37
    New Zealand 30
    Argentina 24
    Greece 19
    Denmark 17

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3toes View Post
    Last figures I saw said that about 20 000 Defenders were made in 2010.

    A replacement would have to flop very badly to do worse than the current vehicle.

    Has been said before that if the UK farmers stopped buying them production would stop instantly.

    Figures below are civilian sales in 2009. Not saying it is a complete list however does give some idea of who buys them.

    UK 5,271
    Italy 1,600
    Pakistan 1,553
    Germany 1,343
    France 1015
    Spain 770
    South Africa 760
    Belgium 411
    Russia 393
    Australia 383
    Switzerland 297
    Austria 293
    Netherlands 166
    Brazil 162
    Norway 129
    Eire 63
    Sweden 55
    Romania 37
    New Zealand 30
    Argentina 24
    Greece 19
    Denmark 17
    Those are very poor sales figures, and don't come any where near the numbers when series LandRovers sold in the 150,000 per annum region.
    So they've lost pretty much all the working, industrial and farmers market worldwide. They've got the can't be bovvereds about catering for Military requirements, yet still call it the Defender Most 4wd users have become accustomed to far better build quality and standards of reliability than what Defender has unfortunately become well known for. So who do they hope to sell to? Even Pat can only afford to buy one or two a year
    Does anyone really believe the bean counters think keeping it in production makes good economic business sense?
    Wagoo.

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    The iconic Land Rover Defender will be re-born for the 21st century with an all-new model already under development. Land Rover officials confirmed that work was underway to totally overhaul the go-anywhere off-roader after more than 60 years of service.
    The company will unveil a concept at September's Frankfurt motor show that is expected to be direct indication of what the next production model will look like.
    Improved on-road driving dynamics and safety are two of the biggest changes but the company is adamant that it will remain a true off-roader.
    Phil Popham, Director Group Sales Operations for Jaguar Land Rover, confirmed that a new Defender was part of the company's new product plan.
    "It's not realistic to continue with the current platform any longer," Popham said.
    "We will replace it," he added. "We have a plan to replace all of our cars and potentially introduce additional ones. [It's a] very, very aggressive product plan for the future."
    The project is being overseen by Australian engineer Murray Dietsch. The former Ford Australia employee is now director of Land Rover programmes, which means he is in charge of not only the Defender but also the Freelander, Discovery and the Range Rover Evoque and Sport models.
    Dietsch admitted he and his team are determined to ensure the Defender lives on despite rumours that it would be dropped given it s lacklustre sales. The company says it only sells 20,000 globally and isn't available in the company's two biggest markets, the USA and China.
    "We've been working on Defender for a while," Dietsch said. "The company's pretty serious about it.
    "We're working on it and we're making sure that whatever we produce in the future is not going to dilute what Defender really stands for. So it needs to be authentic. If someone's going to get in the car they're going to want to get in the car and so stuff with it and say ‘I don't want it to break, I want it to go places that other things won't take me to.'"
    Popham insisted that even though it will become more mainstream it will continue to be a unique offering.
    "You can't replace an icon with a me-too car," he said. "So expect it to be different. Defender created a segment and it's going to have to do it again."
    He is adamant too that there remains a demand for a serious off-roader despite the trend towards city friendly SUVs.
    "We believe there is a very big market for it as an icon but also as a practical vehicle," Popham said.
    "I don't think it needs to be any better off-road," he said. "It needs to be significantly better on-road. More car-like in terms of its features. We can't do that with old technology. Everything you expect on a modern platform we would need to do."
    But while the mechanicals are set for a major overhaul the design is expected to remain close to the original. Trying to replace the famous shape has reportedly got the design team at Land Rover inspired.
    "The most exciting project that our designers have worked on is Evoque and they're more excited about Defender than they are about Evoque, because they are replacing an icon," Popham said.
    "It's a fantastic project to have, to replace one of these most recognizable vehicles in the worl
    Wasn't it reported that Ford wanted to kill the Defender and nixed any budget for a replacement, so the best LR could do was updates?

    Imagine if they got it right this time, and they lowered the cost by building it with Tata in India. There must be a massive market for a low cost to buy and operate, utilitarian, easy to repair, reliable workhorse that's literally the best out of the box. No-one else is building it.

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