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    Shopping Bag Ban in the ACT

    The current ACT Labor government needed the support of the Greens after the last election and one of the deals done was to phase out plastic shopping bags. This kicks in from next month for the whole Territory.

    Now there is no doubt that these shopping bags as used now are not good for the environment but they are normally used more than once before being disposed of and research has shown that because of this reuse, other higher grade plastic use is reduced - ie use shopping bags for rubbish vs specialist high grade plastic rubbish bags - shopping bags break down in UV light (sunlight) within a couple of months (thousand years when buried) but high grade plastics take years even in full sunlight.

    In the ACT we will all have to buy those "green" shopping bags to use which are an even worse environmental issue - most will be disposed of after a "few to quite a few uses" due to loss, dirt, damage and do not have a lifetime of use as the Greenies would have us believe. When disposed of, these bags are a real environmental disaster.

    Working in Natural Resource Management for a number of years I have read a lot of reports and reviews on the use of plastics in these circumstances and the whole story is never published - like the first major review in Ireland quite a few years back that showed that shopping bags could be banned but there is a direct correlation in the increase in high grade plastic bags.

    I certainly accept that plastic shopping bags are a blight but I wish the ACT government, instead of banning them introduced legislation requiring the composition of the bags be changed so that they "biodegraded" in say 1 or 2 weeks - this is possible for minimal additional cost where at the point of sale these new bags are exposed to extreme levels of UV light that sets off a chemical reaction in the bag and it self destructs - this technology already exists.

    Just think how many "green" bags are going to be bought for a spur of the moment purchase and then thrown away when no longer required. I really do not think this is the solution to the problem.

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    Nation urged to follow SA bag ban - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

    you may be surprised we changed in 2009 and at the time I thought it stank but now I reckon its OK, you get used to it quicker than you think and the bags usually end up stuffed inside another in boot/back of car ready for when you go shopping etc... also used lots for carrying fruit/clothes/toys etc etc etc (you name it! ) You'll find these bags given away as promo bags for govt departments, businesses etc etc as they will last and be used repeatedly (usually) . (they also do chiller bags etc)

    Dont write it off, it may be OK (and Im not a greenie in case anyone is wondering... )

    something else to consider bring in the 10c deposit on cans, bottle and cartons... makes a huge difference.
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    What I find nuts is most stuff you buy at the supper market is wraped in plastic anyhow. If they were serious thay would insist on brown paper begs for veg. ect. Its all out of control.

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    I was in SA briefly yesterday. Got charged 10 cents for a bag. Who gets the money - the shop or the govt? If the shop then its a rip-off, if the govt then it probably costs more in govt jobs to collect than 10 cents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digger View Post
    Nation urged to follow SA bag ban - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)


    something else to consider bring in the 10c deposit on cans, bottle and cartons... makes a huge difference.
    I agree, when you see how many bottles, cans, etc., are laying around after being carelesly thrown down around Qld., it makes a lot of sense. Bit of a bummer about the plastic bags though, [ no pun intended ], I would have to find something else to pick up the dog crap when I take them for a walk, Bob
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob10 View Post
    I agree, when you see how many bottles, cans, etc., are laying around after being carelesly thrown down around Qld., it makes a lot of sense. Bit of a bummer about the plastic bags though, [ no pun intended ], I would have to find something else to pick up the dog crap when I take them for a walk, Bob
    I agree, making litter a cost to the consumer works. As for doggy doo bags, many parks around Adelaide have little roll dispensers next to a bin. In those areas where the bag posts are frequently vandalised the dog owners generally don't give a **** anyway.

    It used to be a feature of the SA countryside for every small-town dump to have hundreds of single-use plastic bags draped around the local fence wires. You hardly see plastic bags littering the scenery now. The "green" cloth bags generally last over a year around our house and our two cars always have a few stuffed in the back. As for paying 10 cents for a compostable bag, gee willikers, WE WUZ ROBBED not. It's worked for SA.

    The most common litter around my area now is Mc D****ds takeaway cups and bags carelessly thrown out of bogans' cars, at least they're paper and generally don't last long outdoors.

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    AMEN to all those SA supporters. Yep it was a pain when they went but nowadays, you'd be surprised how much you can actually fit in a new hitech green plastic bag... Like HEAPS!

    We had the same issue with the dog poop but we solved it two ways.
    1. We are renting a dodgy place while the new place is being built and it has a hammerhead block out the back that the owners wanted to flog off, bad move where we are, and they're major di##heads, so we let him poop anywhere he dam well likes in the back block and the owners will never know until it's too late! No more picking up dog poop for the short term.
    2. My dad visits from NSW (yes Gods country) and everytime he brings a bag or 3 full of plastic bags, so our supply never runs out.

    We also do Coles online shopping delivered to the door and they incorporate the bag cost into the delivery cost. Yep it's a little more expensive than doing it at the local foodland/IGA but with two carpet commandos like we got, grocery shopping for an hour or two simply don't work!

    Anyway, the canvas green bags are also very very handy as the have a solid base and we use them for heaps and heaps of things and rarely chuck them out, but pfffft we got so many it doesn't matter.

    You also get used to remembering to grab a couple when you park the car before going into the shops, so leave a few in the boot or glove box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bee utey View Post
    I agree, making litter a cost to the consumer works. As for doggy doo bags, many parks around Adelaide have little roll dispensers next to a bin. In those areas where the bag posts are frequently vandalised the dog owners generally don't give a **** anyway.

    It used to be a feature of the SA countryside for every small-town dump to have hundreds of single-use plastic bags draped around the local fence wires. You hardly see plastic bags littering the scenery now. The "green" cloth bags generally last over a year around our house and our two cars always have a few stuffed in the back. As for paying 10 cents for a compostable bag, gee willikers, WE WUZ ROBBED not. It's worked for SA.

    The most common litter around my area now is Mc D****ds takeaway cups and bags carelessly thrown out of bogans' cars, at least they're paper and generally don't last long outdoors.
    I know it's a side issue to the main topic of this Thread but I find it very annoying that around the MCD****ds takeaways you find litter on the roads thrown from bogan's cars. Just goes to show the mentality of some of their customers. I know McD****ds do their best to clean up around their premises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digger View Post
    you get used to it quicker than you think and the bags usually end up stuffed inside another in boot/back of car ready for when you go shopping etc...
    I have a number of the bags in my car and nearly always forget to take them with me when shopping - besides they are too damn hard to get to as they always end up in the rear loadspace which means opening the wheel-carrier then the tailgate.. So I get some more recyclable plastic bags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bob10 View Post
    I would have to find something else to pick up the dog crap when I take them for a walk, Bob
    Our council gives us hundreds of green bags every few months. They apparently break down quicker and are meant to put the kitchen scraps into before putting it in the green bin. We use those for the dog.
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