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Originally Posted by incisor
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Originally Posted by incisor
Yep, but if they know you are a shift worker they should talk to you about it. Usually a compromise can be found. A bit like mowing lawns, I would schedule mowing lawns around neighbors shift work if possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by rovercare
What irks me is people complain about bikes, but house renovations that are noisy from 6am to 7pm are ok. V8 Rovers are ok, crappy loud music is ok. Noisy lawn mowers and power tools ok. All comes back to my point of hypocrisy at its best. Oh and ok for creaming outboards at 5am?
People need to lighten up a bit and reach a compromise.
I am not for a minute condoning irresponsible behavior, but we should be able to enjoy all activities.
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Originally Posted by 86mud
I think what you are doing is great and some of the grumpy selfish buggers need to pull their head in and think back a little to what they did as kids. Too many forget this and are very hypocritical and my needs and hobbies are more important than anyone elses.
What annoys me is when you go camping, have the bikes visible and then some other clown pulls up and camps right alongside you and then complains about bikes and then does something hypocritical like start a gen set or get really drunk and rowdy.
I have made sure my kids have bikes (2 wheel, quads and buggies), gives them a lot of confidence and gets them out and enjoying life.
No matter what the nay sayers post, get out there and have fun with your kids.
Mini bikes especially dont make that much noise. I am glad you want to teach your kids the right way.
Have loads of fun.
Cheers
Craig
No not at all. Your attitude is anything anyone else does to annoy you is wrong and they should be persecuted and that is bull****. Fine if you want absolute peace and quiet buy your own little paradise and stick your head in the sand. Dont go to a public place and complain about other people enjoying a legitimate activity.Quote:
Originally Posted by rovercare
Yes there needs to be some etiquette involved, but just because you dont like it does not make it wrong. Especially disappointing form an ex rider and that makes it really hypocritical that it was ok for you when you were younger, but no one else.
I would dearly like you to have a shot at me for my registered road legal bike anywhere.;) I do have the right to ride this anywhere a car can go.
There are plenty of areas bikes are not allowed so plenty of options to camp without being annoyed and if people are riding in these areas you do have a case. Also if people are riding irresponsibly you also have a case.
But you are blatantly wrong if it is people out doing the right thing.
A roaring V8 Disco or Range Rover is ok though, hey.:p
I generally find loud obnoxious drunken parties are worse and these are not normally the young loud crowds, but the middle aged campers that think their **** does not stink. The worst are the middle aged cacklers full of wine late at night around a campfire. Last camping trip we had just such a group of grey nomads camped about 100m away that just hated kids and thought kids should not be allowed to camp or run around, yet they had all had kids who were off their hands. They were much louder than anyone else, including kids and gen sets and their loud wine filled noise at 1am was annoying, however I let it go. Though I did have great pleasure at making a bit of noise at 7am.
Yes there are irresponsible riders, but that is the same with everything.
I suppose all I am saying is there needs to be a little bit of give or take.
Oh and much worse is the nappy leaving, broken bottle brigade.
Yep, playing bagpipes during the day is fine. At 10pm, 5am or 1 am is not, same for bike riding.Quote:
Originally Posted by rovercare
Generally bike riders look for a clear area away from others. If you choose to camp alongside someone with a load of bikes, well.
Good while ago we had a spate of illegal trail bike riding in the bushland at the end of our street. I was thoroughly sick of the rowr, rowr, rowr, pop, pop, pop. Eventually enough people complained loud and hard enough that the council eventually did something. Parents were fined. That stopped it.
A former colleague moved from the 'Gabba to an estate of 5 acre blocks at Park Ridge. After a while he was of the opinion that trail bike riders should be declared outside the protection of law. Reckoned if he wanted non-stop internal combustion engine noise he could have stayed in the 'Gabba. The last straw was two early teenagers who came onto his property and were hooning, sliding and jumping their bikes. With the aid of his wife and son he managed to close all gates and trap the kids. He took them home and lifted their father off his feet and shook him (my colleague is a VERY big man, former competitive heavyweight wrestler), and told him what might happen if he heard a trail bike ever again. After some police involvement (father called coppers and screamed "assault") common sense prevailed. Both were told not to do it again. Worked though.
I'm still struggling to comprehend what a miserable arsehole you would have to be to object to a couple of kids on pee wee 50's.
Personally if I see it at my camp site my only reaction to it is to give the kids a cheer and help build their confidence. Ive just moved to a rural area and when I heard a few bikes fire up on the next property I smiled as I'd rather the kids have bikes to play on then go and run amok as there is nothing else to do.
im on the fence on this one as there is a fine line between kids learning having fun and your leasure times compromised.........
yes i learnt to ride a bike when i was young however it was on private property, have never held a licence for a bike therefore have only ever riden on private property, i have knocked back opportunities on the beach and state forests
when it comes to public camping grounds there are not too many around that you can operate an unregistered vehicle (pee wee's included), if i choode to camp at a public campground than i would not expect any un-registered/un-licenced riders around.....that why we have laws, it the people out there that believe they can ignore rules that really **** me off
i seen quite a few time little mini bikes out of control due to kids 'just' learning in public places which puts the general public at risk, just the other month my boys were introduced to quads....on a private property, there is now way i would let them ride around the general public yet
in saying that, if the parents show consideration and they move the activity away from the public and ride at reasonable times (8am-4pm or there abouts) than i have no problems with kids doing kids stuff.......thats learning to ride, crashing there bikes, breaking bones etc......
There seem to be a couple of reasons why this discussion appears to be moving people further apart rather than having any possibility of leading to some understanding, agreement or compromise.Quote:
Originally Posted by roverfan
Just selecting one at random, the post quoted here (like some others) offers a false dichotomy or false dilemma.
http://www.philosophy-index.com/logi...se-dilemma.php
A false dichotomy or false dilemma occurs when an argument presents two options and ignores, either purposefully or out of ignorance, other alternatives.
The statement, "I'd rather the kids have bikes to play on then go and run amok as there is nothing else to do", is a false dichotomy because it suggests that there are only two possible activities for kids: riding bikes and running amok.
Clearly this is not the case as there are plenty of other things that kids might do apart from those two activities.
Suggesting that things are black and white when really they are shades of grey does little to help others accept your point of view. Of course there are bike riders, bagpipe players, revellers and generator owners who deliberately annoy others and there are some that inadvertently annoy others. Just as there are members of those same groups who make the effort to indulge in their chosen activity in a way that minimises the impact on others. Claiming that everyone belongs in either the former or the latter group is unrealistic and unhelpful.
However if people are just using this as an opportunity to abuse those who hold a view different from their own, then don't let me stop you. :p:p:p
Rovercare,
My comments were not aimed at you, but the previous post. For some reason it only quoted yours.
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And Mick, no I do not support aggressive and irresponsible behaviour, but you obviously support aggressive behaviour as you seem to believe your viewpoint is the only one and your recreational activities over ride everyone elses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mick-Kelly https://www.aulro.com/afvb/images/im...016/08/768.jpg
So Craig is it a case of OK for the person with the bike 'but not anyone else' kinda selfish if you ask me. And i think you just proved my point. I go camping to relax. If i want to listen to whining over revved motors i go to Archerfield speedway. I guess some people have not yet evolved to the point where they acknowledge that their actions have impacts on other people. If you want to play on bikes then go to a track. I also hate people who think a camping trip is an excuse for a thumping stereo or pulling a bit of circle work in the car. But i gather you would be supportive of them as well. Hopefully i never share a campground with you. :angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry::angry:
I have a road and trail registered bike, legal anywhere to ride, so how dare you tell me that I should go play on a track. I can ride it anywher a car can go and some more. How dare you think you can drive a 4x4 up a track but I can not ride my bike. On the same philosphy all road bike riders should only ride on a race track. All 4x4 owners should only drive on a designated 4x4 park track.
As I have said there are so many areas where bikes are not allowed anyway and yes some respect is deserved, but to be quite honest come up to me and tell me I can not ride my bike in a legitimate and legal fashion and see where that gets you.
Mate you really seem to be very self centered on issues like this.
Surely there is middle ground? Maybe not. Not everything is as we would personally like it and a bit of give and take is required to survive.
I will clarify it for you I would not crank my bike or my kids early in the morning, nor would I rev the guts out of them around a camp or cut loose.
Our last holiday we actually camped at a place where dirt bikes were not allowed and had absolutely no problem with that. I would not generally take dirt bikes into unacceptable areas.
The person with the bike is not being selfish at all in general, are they telling you what you can and can not do? Just because I do not like your activity or passtime, does that mean you should not do it?
And yes I would do circle work on private property.:p
And no I do not like booming music at a camp, but I do like some music on.
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Originally Posted by CraigE