Motorcyclists and cyclists - splitting lanes and switching teams!

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16th December 2011, 12:55 PM
RaZz0R

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"I am on the road everyday trying to survive the trip to and from work - watching and trying to predict the movements of every car/truck/bus/pedestrian etc that is close to me. Most drivers can not predict the speed that a cyclist is doing and just about everyday I have a car cut me off. It is very frustrating and down right dangerous. I am on a bike for gods sake, I am not surrounded by steel."

This is how us motorcycle riders think - but then we have to deal with the mess of traffic stuck behind you guys on push bikes! Drivers can't do head checks as it is let alone deal with trying to pass a pushy rider in the same lane - coz you know the lane next to them is not going to allow them to use the lane to pass you.

So seriously I ask this to push bike riders - Do you care or even think about what others have to deal with BECAUSE you are on the road or the issues you guys cause? fact is you can't take off like a car or bike. Yet again I see many push bike riders lane split up to the front of cars - then cause traffic problems while they start to peddle.

On top of everything else day to day? Because just like you - we don't have steel around us or impact zones.
16th December 2011, 01:26 PM
DiscoWeb

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Originally Posted by RaZz0R

So seriously I ask this to push bike riders - Do you care or even think about what others have to deal with BECAUSE you are on the road or the issues you guys cause? fact is you can't take off like a car or bike. Yet again I see many push bike riders lane split up to the front of cars - then cause traffic problems while they start to peddle.

RaZzor,

Replace "push bike riders" with "people driving 4wds" and it amazing how much your argument sounds like the irrational arguments used to suggest 4wd should be banned from city roads. They take up too much space, regularly run down innocent kids in school zones and all drivers of 4wd are aggressive and never look and just barge across lanes.

What a load or rubbish to both.

Honestly how often in your daily ride would you come across a lone cyclist or bunch of cyclists that would truly cause the traffic chaos you are suggesting, one in every 10, 20 trips ?

As a cycle commuter I love the bike lanes and do about 3 -4km more on my trip so I can use the bike lanes and limit the time I have to interface with traffic, but until about 2 years ago they did not exist. Now they do every man and their dog complains about them.

I think your views are irrational and illogical. Not all cyclists ride to deliberately cause issue for traffic just as not all motorcyclists are lane splitting lunatics. Now perhaps some are but why treat every one like they are.

George
16th December 2011, 01:31 PM
Blknight.aus

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Originally Posted by RaZz0R

fact is you can't take off like a car or bike.

can round here, on average drivers reactions round here as so slow I could get out, unroll the winch cable, hook it up to something on the other ide of the intersection then winch the landy through the intersection before the other car has even worked out that the shiny green bulb on the bottom means its time to get the hell out of the way of the vehicle behind and I only have a tirfor ATM...

ok, maybe thats a slight exaggeration but on more than one occasion Ive had to get out of my car, walk forwards to the car infront an politely invite them to get the hell across the intersection because come the next green light the 4x4 Im driving is going to regardless to the presence of their vehicle.

if you want to see something funny come round some time when Fozzy drags off ricers at the lights AND WINS... IF you cant out pace fozzy on a pushy on the flat from the lights perhaps its time to trade in the treadly for a zimmerframe. Ive no shame in admiting I've lost races against racing bikes when towing with fozzy and in a 40 zone Ive lost races from a standing start unloaded to racing bikes.
16th December 2011, 01:32 PM
Dave_S

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Originally Posted by RaZz0R

So seriously I ask this to push bike riders - Do you care or even think about what others have to deal with BECAUSE you are on the road or the issues you guys cause? fact is you can't take off like a car or bike. Yet again I see many push bike riders lane split up to the front of cars - then cause traffic problems while they start to peddle.

Roads are basically multi-user infrastructure. They are intended for use by a wide variety of users and there are detailed rules for each user to follow. One of the overarching rules is that you proceed with due care and attention. If you feel that the combination of cars, bikes, trucks and whatever else you find on the road is beyond your ordinary powers of comprehension, you shouldn't be driving at all.

I can't speak for other cyclists, but personally I don't believe I cause any issue or problem at all for other road users to deal with. At least nothing more than any other road user. I ride very close to the curb and generally leave enough space for most cars to safely pass me in the same lane. A lot of the time I am actually quicker than the cars anyway. I can corner faster than most cars too. And so what if I can't beat a V8 ute in a drag race? I'm pedalling on the left hand side so there's no issue there.

I understand that many motorists are frustrated about traffic jams and want to blame someone. Cyclists are an easy target, but they have nothing to do with it. Blame yourself (and the 100,000 other people like you sitting in a car on the same road).

Incidentally, the last time a driver abused me, he screamed that cyclists never obey road rules. I pointed out that he was able to abuse me because I had stopped at a red light . When I took off he couldn't, because a line of cars had parked across the intersection. :D
16th December 2011, 01:48 PM
weeds

i am amazed at the number of forum members with a poor attitude towards bike riders.............****in tossers
16th December 2011, 01:54 PM
p38arover

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Originally Posted by 86mud

There are seldom cases I see of idiots on push bikes doing the wrong thing and if they do it in front of me, they cop it.

You must be blind as I see cyclists doing the wrong thing every day - and yes, I see car drivers doing wrong, too.

I particularly hate cyclists using my car as a support so they can stay upright whilst stopped.
16th December 2011, 02:13 PM
RaZz0R

[quote=DiscoWeb;1592820]RaZzor,

Replace "push bike riders" with "people driving 4wds" and it amazing how much your argument sounds like the irrational arguments used to suggest 4wd should be banned from city roads. They take up too much space, regularly run down innocent kids in school zones and all drivers of 4wd are aggressive and never look and just barge across lanes.
What a load or rubbish to both. [quote]

Yes you are correct, and that is why I don't drive my rangie in to the city, I ride my motorcycle because I know if I did drive the rangie - people wouldn't see anything past me :)

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Honestly how often in your daily ride would you come across a lone cyclist or bunch of cyclists that would truly cause the traffic chaos you are suggesting, one in every 10, 20 trips ?

Seriously EVERYDAY! I am not making it up. I can name roads but why? Its wont change. ;)

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As a cycle commuter I love the bike lanes and do about 3 -4km more on my trip so I can use the bike lanes and limit the time I have to interface with traffic, but until about 2 years ago they did not exist. Now they do every man and their dog complains about them.

yet I don't know why people would complain about bike lanes. The road is made with extra space for that and it works well... till you get 2 or 3 side by side on St Kilda rd lol :)

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I think your views are irrational and illogical. Not all cyclists ride to deliberately cause issue for traffic just as not all motorcyclists are lane splitting lunatics. Now perhaps some are but why treat every one like they are.

Yeah but same there with assuming - I never said ALL pushy riders were like that. I am just pickin on the ones who are like that and funny enough - they would be the ones to give me the finger after they pulled out from parked cars lol Like I said last page - good and bad for all bikes, cars, motorcycles :)

Nice chat George ;)
16th December 2011, 02:18 PM
RaZz0R

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

can round here, on average drivers reactions round here as so slow I could get out, unroll the winch cable, hook it up to something on the other ide of the intersection then winch the landy through the intersection before the other car has even worked out that the shiny green bulb on the bottom means its time to get the hell out of the way of the vehicle behind and I only have a tirfor ATM...

LOL!!! You have no idea how hard I laugh at that.

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ok, maybe thats a slight exaggeration but on more than one occasion Ive had to get out of my car, walk forwards to the car infront an politely invite them to get the hell across the intersection because come the next green light the 4x4 Im driving is going to regardless to the presence of their vehicle.

if you want to see something funny come round some time when Fozzy drags off ricers at the lights AND WINS... IF you cant out pace fozzy on a pushy on the flat from the lights perhaps its time to trade in the treadly for a zimmerframe. Ive no shame in admiting I've lost races against racing bikes when towing with fozzy and in a 40 zone Ive lost races from a standing start unloaded to racing bikes.

I have to say its something I have noticed as well - they seem to get to lights and go dumber or something. With my rangie I get the same thing - take off with the 4.6 and just as I am ready to merge ****** in common-door decided he wasn't going to be beaten by a lifted forby for take off speed, even then he only just got out of my way to allow me to merge... mmmmm
16th December 2011, 02:20 PM
sam_d

I drive a Land Rover.
I commute to work by bike.

Whenever I read or hear car drivers complaining about cyclists or cyclists complaining about 4WDs, the one thing you can guarantee (without exception) is that it is the people who are complaining the most or being the most vocal are the ones who know the least about what they're talking about.
16th December 2011, 02:31 PM
RaZz0R

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Originally Posted by Dave_S

Roads are basically multi-user infrastructure. They are intended for use by a wide variety of users and there are detailed rules for each user to follow. One of the overarching rules is that you proceed with due care and attention. If you feel that the combination of cars, bikes, trucks and whatever else you find on the road is beyond your ordinary powers of comprehension, you shouldn't be driving at all.

Pretty much agree with you - but I am one of those guys who believes some things are just wrong. I know they won't change but I am not going to decided to believe they are right either ;)
EG: speeding is wrong - but if I stay in traffic on a motorbike, I'll be taken out - so yes I will speed up to 10kph faster than everything else to get in to a safe spot. But the people who believe the road is a safe place or should be a safe place need to be put on a motorcycle for a peak hour ride. The roads never has been or ever will be a safe place ;)

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I can't speak for other cyclists, but personally I don't believe I cause any issue or problem at all for other road users to deal with. At least nothing more than any other road user. I ride very close to the curb and generally leave enough space for most cars to safely pass me in the same lane.

Yeah I see guys doing this out side my house on Mountain hwy, 3 lanes wide the road is - the problem then however is not you, its the car drivers because they don't know how to merge, head check or control their cars with out hitting the brakes, causing traffic issues behind you while drivers try to duck in to the lane next to them - but by extension if you were not there in the first place it wouldn't be an issue.. kinda thing.

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A lot of the time I am actually quicker than the cars anyway. I can corner faster than most cars too. And so what if I can't beat a V8 ute in a drag race? I'm pedalling on the left hand side so there's no issue there.

As long as you realize that a motorcycle has that same advantage of being WAY quicker ;) I had a pushy rider cost me over 6 grand in paint work because he was going up a winding road in the local mountains, I come around 40kph corner on 80kph doing closer to 80 anyway because you can on a motorbike to find this jocky in the middle of the road on a push bike. I had to wear that cost, not him, and I would have called the cops but he took off and of course - no way to ID the pushy riders.

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I understand that many motorists are frustrated about traffic jams and want to blame someone. Cyclists are an easy target, but they have nothing to do with it. Blame yourself (and the 100,000 other people like you sitting in a car on the same road).

While you are partly correct - you are partly wrong as well. On a whole they have nothing to do with it - its just the few that do cause problems. :-) the few.

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Incidentally, the last time a driver abused me, he screamed that cyclists never obey road rules. I pointed out that he was able to abuse me because I had stopped at a red light . When I took off he couldn't, because a line of cars had parked across the intersection. :D

Nice :) I have had the same on a motorbike as well. Its situational and spare of the moment for the most part I reckon. :cool:

and no I am not saying I am super cool on the road or anything - far from it. more so on the bike because I do everything to make people notice or see me. Even if that means flying past them scaring the crap out of them with my super loud pipes. Because then at least they know I am there. :cool:

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