landrovers.... not what they used to be...

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I'll take your sugestion under advisement Mick.

Regards,

Tim

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Originally Posted by justinc

Gee these 'other' makes of 4x4 will be loving this, land rover owners snapping at each other, get a grip.

JC

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Wait... there's other 4x4 makes?! :eek:

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I am quite disappointed in this discussion. It seems some authors have it in for the Ford powered Defender and that's it, period.
To me it seems they have a personal disappointment with Land Rover, but for all who have the latest offering somehow have to be put down because of this. If we could by a non electrical new Defender most of us probably would, but we cant, so we don't.
If it's as simple as carting a spare ECU and the tools to fit it well so be it. Just like an axel for a series or a whatever for a Tdi. I don't think filling a gbox with grease is a solution, only the army would carry such quantities, or have it trucked in.
It seems odd that a US Ford is no good, but a Japanese Isuzu is OK. I have heard both motors can achieve 1000 000km. MR have a client who has 1 million on his Tdi. And last weekend I met a guy with a 2.25lt S2 motor who has done so on the original motor as well. So it's possible, but also a lucky dip in many ways.
I have not heard any bagging for the TD5, thankfully. But perhaps because it's LR designed it's OK. Or perhaps it electrical vilification is still to come. We all drive Land Rovers, and the Defender even it's latest form is still the most capable 4x4 on offer.
If the Armies of the world were scared of technology then we would still be in the trenches with wistles. I would think the reason they have not gone with LR is more to do with back up service, up front price, general attitude, and supply. Something LR are very bad at in all fields.

The key to any remote travel is preparation, and just about anyone who has done so will say so. In my experience, and it's a long way from some of you, the things that break after good preparation can't be prepared for in a practical sense, so you don't. It's that stupid clip that holds that hose that rattled loose and got caught in something. Ahh I now know to zip tie that...

Hmmm every 'long' trip i have attempted in my 'rugged minimal electronics' County has resulted in breakage. Axle let go in QLD, diff in the central west. It has spent more time being fixed than any tdci has spent having warranty work done.
When i drive past a tdci Defender the wave i give is not one of pity it's envy that they have a warranty instead of a box of tools and some chassis stands!
Also, the traction control makes tdci Defenders more capable than my County as it currently stands. I would need another lsd or a locker to be as capable.

why take what the black one says so serious in the first place?

he must be tickled pink!

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You'll have die hard bitter pills on every topic.

In the UK you have people who claim the last "real" landrover was the 2.25 liter petrol and if you want to sink as low as a diesel, possibly the 2.5 liter normally aspirated diesel (who needs them new fangled turbo contraptions...?)

The Isuzu dielsel engine was not available anywhere but Australia, so they can't possibly be "real" Land Rovers either...?

Maybe the Td5 was received well in Australia, but leafer fans the world over hated them. Land Rover apparently "ruined the brand" by making things electronic. The Td5 engine was developed and produced during the BMW era and they got the blame for it...

The 2.8 petrol engine out of the BMW 328 was installed in South African Defenders for a few years. 10 years on and who could possibly believe that they could make it past the "Millenium Bug"...?

I've owned to date the following Land Rover 90's (County's for those who don't understand the term Land Rover 90) and Defender 90's:

2.5 N/A diesel (1984)
2.5TD (1988)
300Tdi's (1996, 1994, 1998) In that order untill 2 years ago
Td4 Tdci (2010)

I loved all of them, but who do you need to kid that the 2.5 was a grimly underpowered experience? That the 2.5TD was 5 times harder to bleed than a Puma?

I love my Puma, it is by a country mile the most pleasant, most comfortable, most sound proof, most waterproof, most dust proof and yes, to date most reliable Defender I've ever owned. I'll look after it and I'll put money on it that it will still be on the road in 20 years.

Long Live Land Rover!

The only reason the army is replacing their 110's with G wagons is the tender called for automatics. As we all know land rover don't make an auto defender and couldn't be bothered to develop one so they didn't supply a vehicle to the tender. G wagon won by default as cruisers and patrols are too soft.

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Originally Posted by PAT303

And that prooves what exactly???,but yes we'll do the Gunbarrell,me in the TDCi and you two in the leaf sprung series,do you know what corrigations are?,don't worry you will.Tell me,how many K's in outback Oz have you done?,where have you been and what did you do?,I'm only asking because like many many others on here I've done lots in rubbish vehicles like the Tdi,rover V8,TDCi and that most evil of all vehicles,the electric everything toorak tractor,the one and only Range Rover.Oh and the puma,sorry TDCi is enviromentally friendly,thats what all that scary stuff under the bonnet is. Pat

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If Dave is up for it, bring it. How come we'd be travelling 3000+ km's more than you though?

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Originally Posted by Mick-Kelly

Well Pat lets see if i can answer a few of your questions.
Landies I have owned - Series 3 diesel, Series 2A petrol, Series 3 lightweight petrol, Disco tdi, Series one petrol. I currently drive the current Hilux for work however in the past my bum has graced various land cruisers (including the turbo V8 diesel), patrols, hiluxes, Ford F series etc. etc. as work supplied vehicles. And i have been left on the side of the road by an electric wonderland Sahara cruiser more than once. Roads i have driven, well i have been up Cape york, lived in Burketown for 6 months, lived in Doomadgee for 3 months (wet season), Lived in the Isa for years and drove weekly between Isa and Birdsville. Driven the Simpson, Driven around most of the territory and have driven every beach that you can in Qld. I must say i have never driven in WA or SA. I am well aware of what corrugations and bulldust are (you seem to have a bit of bulldust left on your chin). I have towed boat trailers to their early death across corrugations in the gulf country. I would very happily take a leaf sprung landy across any desert you would care to in this country. I hope your ECU copes with the vibrations off those corrugations. Wouldnt want to have to get a chopper in to airlift you out when a piece of solder let go. Or do you cary a spare computer in your car?
Hmm maybe at the end of the big trip we could have a little competition. I will hose all of the bulldust out of the interior of my leaf sprung truck and i will hose all of the bulldust out of the interior of your puma. Competition is which car starts afterwards. Maybe the wet upholstery will screw up your resale value.
I am a little surprised at your user name. You seem to go for 303's. I would have pegged you for a STEYR man myself. You know, made from plastic so you can just clip a new bit on when the old breaks off. I rest comfortably knowing that the 63 year old land rover sitting in my garage will still be driveing when your puma is a faded memory.
What i am realy surprised at is unless i am mistaken you were giving it to a hyundai or something similar earlier in the thread whose engine locked down when a light bulb blew out. Do you really think all of this unecessary electrical crap is better? Simple systems are better by design.

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Your putting in some attitude there Mick,I like old actually Mick and yes I'm a303 fan,I like mausers too,I have 6 in the safe and Steyr's,if you want the best they have no equal this side of anything German or Swiss.I think you should have a nana nap and get over yourself as like I've posted I've had most types of LR's and I like them all,every one but as I get older and have to travel further because of were I live I want a vehicle that can do the miles and a series 2a isn't it.Anyway thats it for me,enjoy you series and I'll enjoy my TDCi with all it's electric hocus pocus that lets me have plenty of power with economy too. Pat