Thread: landrovers.... not what they used to be...

well it's interesting the original mud chucker's series is broken down and resting in the front yard, and perhaps has been for some time now.

I'm one of those pathetic Defender drivers who bought new because he didn't have the skills, time, space or tools to rebuild a worn out legend. It makes no difference to me if mine stops no matter what era, it's getting towed.

I once ment a long term landy nut who walked from Land Rover to Nissan when the the Isuzu (sounds land rover) motor was replaced with the Tdi. Back then it was too gutless but the Tdi's sold and now are looked upon favourably.

One thing coming from this post, I don't feel like waving at anyone presently. This banter is like a slow creeping cancer, just like engine emissions are, but eventually it becomes a fact of life.

tell you what nue hue...

IF a puma makes it to 33+ years old and then basically unmodified does a cape trip while lugging all the tooling, parts and oils to support about a 10 Vehicle cape trip come and talk to me...

lets make it interesting, you have to start from ipswich and do the first 1400 odd Km on filtered and Dewatered vege oil with 3 teeth missing from the transfer case intermediate gear

and FYI, the series vehicle your talking about still runs fine... its been pulled off the road because it needs repairs done to its brakes and the gearbox seals need doing because after the 3 years and about 50K Km I've had it for the grease is leaking out. (can you even run the ford gearbox on grease?)

Originally Posted by newhue

skills, time, space or tools to rebuild a worn out legend.

but at least you can rebuild them.....

Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

tell you what nue hue...

IF a puma makes it to 33+ years old and then basically unmodified does a cape trip while lugging all the tooling, parts and oils to support about a 10 Vehicle cape trip come and talk to me...

lets make it interesting, you have to start from ipswich and do the first 1400 odd Km on filtered and Dewatered vege oil with 3 teeth missing from the transfer case intermediate gear

and FYI, the series vehicle your talking about still runs fine... its been pulled off the road because it needs repairs done to its brakes and the gearbox seals need doing because after the 3 years and about 50K Km I've had it for the grease is leaking out. (can you even run the ford gearbox on grease?)



but at least you can rebuild them.....

Seriously.. why would he or anyone want to do that?

To prove a point.. ?? I think not.. it's much nicer to just get in the car turn it on, know it's going to work and get you to where you want to go without the worry, stress and hassle.. it may make you feel superior because your 30 year old car can or has done this but it doesn't raise you in my eye's or probably any one else's..

And for the record.. I don't care how old or how new someone's car is.. I like Defenders.. all of them and refuse to discriminate on account of car age...

Back to my earlier post....cars are now a 'consumable' rather than a 'durable' item and attitudes to driving have changed. Comfort & ipod connectivity are far more important than how long the vehicle will last or how practical it is.

The World is constantly changing.
Us older vehicle owners are 'living in the past' but hey, we're having fun doing it, our motoring costs are probably much lower that someone running a new 4WD and recycling older vehicles is 'green'.

It doesn't matter whether it's an original Land Rover, a BMW Land Rover, a Ford Land Rover or a Tata Land Rover it's still a Land Rover. If they were 'still making them like they used to' they would have gone out of business years ago......


Colin

Originally Posted by Sue

Seriously.. why would he or anyone want to do that?

To prove a point.. ?? I think not.. it's much nicer to just get in the car turn it on, know it's going to work and get you to where you want to go without the worry, stress and hassle.. it may make you feel superior because your 30 year old car can or has done this but it doesn't raise you in my eye's or probably any one else's..

And for the record.. I don't care how old or how new someone's car is.. I like Defenders.. all of them and refuse to discriminate on account of car age...

I think thats a very good point Sue, I go out side turn the key and my Defender starts and drives first time, I go out side turn the key and the Series Land Rover never works ( until i have spent hours on the dam thing getting covered in oil ) not really practical for day to day life...... Will the Puma start first time in 30 years? going on the last 30/40/50/60 years probably not, but who cares, it works now and thats what matters........

Non the less just because the series land rover never works,does not for one second mean i must have a hate for them, there a old vehicle and as such cant be as reliable as a new vehicle, ( and so far in my own experience that as been the case ), be it a old Land Rover or any other old car, time, and expertise are required to keep them going, unfortunately not everyone as the knowledge, and more so in modern day life neither the time to do so......

Reading a lot of these posts about how simpler is better - maybe those people should be lobbying Iveco to import the Massif.

Originally Posted by Mick-Kelly

I think what ****es people off is the complete redundancy of the newer vehicle systems. Can anyone point out to me how a 'puma' is in any way a functionally better tool than a 'county' Land Rover? Yet the puma is massively more complicated and completely beyond home servicing by the average person with an intricate electrical system and a price tag beyond the reach of its target audience. These unneeded extra complications make the vehicle far more susceptible to a trip ending component failure. The target audience of the Defenders ie. farmers and military will not touch a puma with a barge poll and could not afford to anyway. It is now in the world of the tourer style 4wd similar to the landcruiser and patrol. As such it is (in my opinion) as removed from a real land rover (leaf spring) as the current 200 series cruiser is from the old FJ's. I believe a well know principal applies to anything claiming to be a real landrover and that is K.I.S.S.

The TDCi is one of the easiest vehicles I've ever serviced,you don't need so much as a rag to clean up afterwoulds,intricate electrical system?,like dobbo you should find the facts instead of my mate down the pub said,functionally better,my oath it is,like I've already posted you,me and dobbo should cross the center and we'll see how good a shape you two are in on the other side,farmers and the military in the UK do use the TDCi to do what they do,the King off the road Landcruiser is the looser in all this as farmers and the mines etc aren't using them as much and are changing to other makes and the TDCi defender is removed from the leaf sprung LR's because this is 2012 not 1960. Pat

Maybe if someone really hates a particular land rover model, then they should direct there issues to Land Rover, or set up there own I HATE THE LAND ROVER PUMA Facebook page. or twitter account, just imaging the amount of friends you would get then...

This Forum should embrace the Whole Brand!!!