Thread: Qualifications

Why did you give individual classifications to physician/barbers and shyster/pettifoggers?

They hold only Bachelor degrees like most other tertiary educated. Likewise you give dots to Ph.D & D.Sc but ignore other often more difficult doctorates (Doctor of Engineering for example)

Perhaps you should have given click the dots to Bachelor, Master, Doctor without stating a profession.

Originally Posted by Ean Austral

Not sure where I fit in here Ben, got kicked out of school at just short of 15, so no school cert. of any sort, got a few marine certificates, so not sure where they fit in the list...


Cheers Ean

Last option.

Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

Why did you give individual classifications to physician/barbers and shyster/pettifoggers?

They hold only Bachelor degrees like most other tertiary educated. Likewise you give dots to Ph.D & D.Sc but ignore other often more difficult doctorates (Doctor of Engineering for example)

Perhaps you should have given click the dots to Bachelor, Master, Doctor without stating a profession.

The main reason is that I selected 10 options for the poll so had to fill them up Plus I was curious how many (medical) doctors and lawyers we had on here.

Most engineers who do study above masters level earn a PhD award. If they then go further they earn a D.Sc. In australia a "Doctor of Engineering" is a new type of "professional doctorate" degree which is universally seen as inferior to a PhD (by the industry and by the government). For people doing PhDs (including in engineering), the uni pays your fees, for a D.Eng, you have to pay the uni (A large amount of) fees. Professional doctorates are like an extended coursework masters (though do have a research component like most M.Eng degrees).

So to clarify: PhD = "Doctor of Philosophy" which is awarded in Australia for research doctorates in any field. It stems from the days when "philosophy" encompassed all the sciences - from mathematics to poetry.

D.Sc is "Doctor of Science" - which is a rare degree (in australia - more common elsewhere) only offered by a few unis. It is only for academics who have spent many years doing research, and awarded based on you proving you have made a sufficient contribution to your chosen field of research.

Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

Why did you give individual classifications to physician/barbers and shyster/pettifoggers?

They hold only Bachelor degrees like most other tertiary educated. Likewise you give dots to Ph.D & D.Sc but ignore other often more difficult doctorates (Doctor of Engineering for example)

Perhaps you should have given click the dots to Bachelor, Master, Doctor without stating a profession.

A medical degree is a double bachelor degree.

Agree with you about letters degrees.

We are getting fussy when it comes to doctorates, if you have a doctorate in any discipline, you have spent a lot of time at the books! (and not out Land Rovering)

Originally Posted by isuzurover

Last option.




The main reason is that I selected 10 options for the poll so had to fill them up Plus I was curious how many (medical) doctors and lawyers we had on here.

Most engineers who do study above masters level earn a PhD award. If they then go further they earn a D.Sc. In australia a "Doctor of Engineering" is a new type of "professional doctorate" degree which is universally seen as inferior to a PhD (by the industry and by the government). For people doing PhDs (including in engineering), the uni pays your fees, for a D.Eng, you have to pay the uni (A large amount of) fees. Professional doctorates are like an extended coursework masters (though do have a research component like most M.Eng degrees).

Nothing new about a D. Eng. Prof. Mansergh Shaw had one from UQ in the 1950's, UQ's first Doctor of Engineering. In Europe a Doctor of Engineering is a prestigious qualification considered far more valuable than a Ph. D. in Icelandic poetry and other useless studies many Ph. D's are awarded for.

At UQ Master of Engineering Science can be done by either research or course work. A D. Eng. must be done by research.

whats higher a BE or a BSc??

Originally Posted by Brian Hjelm

Nothing new about a D. Eng. Prof. Mansergh Shaw had one from UQ in the 1950's, UQ's first Doctor of Engineering. In Europe a Doctor of Engineering is a prestigious qualification considered far more valuable than a Ph. D. in Icelandic poetry and other useless studies many Ph. D's are awarded for.

At UQ Master of Engineering Science can be done by either research or course work. A D. Eng. must be done by research.

UQ are a special case as they use the european naming method for their engineering PhD. Have a look at all the other unis in Australia. E.g.

Originally Posted by Uni Melbourne

Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) in Engineering

A Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) is awarded on the basis of a thesis of approximately 80,000–100,000 words, which demonstrates independent, sustained and academically supervised research investigating a specialised topic. The PhD is awarded to research that makes a significant new contribution to the discipline.

Graduating with a PhD marks a student’s admission to the community of Engineering scholars.

And before you comment - U.o.M trumps UQ in most metrics which assess engineering programs and/or engineering research.

The french used to have a D.Eng, however they changed to a PhD in the '80's. The UK and the USA largely use the PhD name for an engineering doctorate.

Originally Posted by 85 county

whats higher a BE or a BSc??

Do you mean B.Ed or B.Eng ??? They are both bachelor's degrees... However a B.Eng (4yr) is usually considered equivalent to a B.Sc + Hons (3+1 yr).

I clicked tradie, but I have a green belt......so read it and weep!

You don't have my qualification on there, probably because it's a UK one.

HNC in Refrigeration. It's a few units short of degree level.

I really should do the extra units one day.