Qualifications

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Originally Posted by Pinelli

CQU now offers a Bachelor of Learning Management ;)

4 years minimum to be registered as a new teacher these days. Still a few old teachers with the 2 year quals floating around, just around the corner from retirement.

I'm a BEd Stud, btw :D

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I read on the Sydney Morning Herald site the other day 5000 New South Wales teachers to retire in the next 12 months.

Cheers

most teachers are ready to retire.if you look at any stats on the age of workers in any feild.
when they go there wont be replacments----except the 1000's that cant get a full time job now-doing temp work at casual rates for current permanent teachers on long service leave-study leave maternity leave.

my mates daughter and her partner average $2600 per week in primary schools and dont want the higher payed high school possitions offered--but are unhappy that they dont get payed over the hollidays or how hard it was to get home loans on their third house.

a few years ago the local school begged my wife to do a few courses to finish a DEd having early childhood diplomer.I begged even more as I would be retired now.
they could not fill positions as they are 75km from newcastle CBD.
they still cant fill headmaster possitions-as they get one for a term then they get offers of permanent in bigger cities.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

30 years in a field certainly makes you experienced and an asset to any employer, however unfortunate as it may be, the person entering the industry with a bachelor or higher degree is more likely to climb the ladder quicker and become your boss... This was entirely my motivation. Sick of working for grad students and junior engos whom I had to spoon feed almost everything:mad:

It has long been recognised that people with trade and technical institution qualifications are the can do people in the company while the university graduates get the kudos and higher salaries.! Again, my primary driver to higher ed. That and getting older, need more cash:D:D

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

It all depends upon the university, the faculty and the applicant (and sometimes how much to you are willing to pay). Going into a higher degree without undergraduate quals is quite a challenge and not recommended unless you have a lot of motivation, a supportive family and usually significant support for the student from the faculty. Not always. My Masters is from Monash Faculty of Engineering and no distinctions were made or concessions given to mature age or non bachelor folk. I made sure I was ready by doing bridging through Swinburn.

BUT WELL WORTH IT IN THE END, if only because it allows you a different way to look at the chosen industry and the application of new knowledge.

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This covers it for me. I am happy as an old experienced tradie but that doesn't pay the bills anymore and I got sick of nurturing grads and junior engos. There should be a fee payable for every grad u train.:p I certainly had family support and lots of it cos attempting a higher degree with family and full time work is a PITA.:twisted:
The only bit I don't like about my degree now is the fact that the abbreviation is too long for business cards....MMaintReliabEng:mad:

Cheers

well i did it the hard way. TC ATC NZCE then i got packed off by the company i worked for to convert to a BE Met, never worked it though.

a few years later i did My Ba the same way, only 1 year not working as a fulltime student.

Interesting results. So far AULRO members are about 30% better qualified than the average population.

Latest ABS stats are 59% of people have a "non-school" qualification. We are currently at >78%.

FWIW, the number of (practicing) physicians and lawyers in AU is:
0.179 and 0.357 per hundred people respectively. So we are slightly ahead of the stats with one of each so far...

You have included "Bachelors" but forgot about those of us who are married!



Cheers, Mick.

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

Interesting results. So far AULRO members are about 30% better qualified than the average population.

Latest ABS stats are 59% of people have a "non-school" qualification. We are currently at >78%.

FWIW, the number of (practicing) physicians and lawyers in AU is:
0.179 and 0.357 per hundred people respectively. So we are slightly ahead of the stats with one of each so far...

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Well sort of yes, however this is about as far away from a rigorous experiment as you can get. There are just so many extraneous variables:

• did all AULRO members or at least a representative sample respond to the survey.
• what ego effects are there which attribute to those members who saw the survey and didn't complete the poll.
• Are the survey instruments between our survey and the ABS Census equivalent.
• etc....

It's about as accurate as the latest poll in New Idea! :D

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Well sort of yes, however this is about as far away from a rigorous experiment as you can get. There are just so many extraneous variables:

• did all AULRO members or at least a representative sample respond to the survey.
• what ego effects are there which attribute to those members who saw the survey and didn't complete the poll.
• Are the survey instruments between our survey and the ABS Census equivalent.
• etc....

It's about as accurate as the latest poll in New Idea! :D

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Well yes of course... As I said at the start it is a bit of fun.

However newspolls are no different, they usually poll 1000 people who choose to respond (i.e. don't hang up). We are 1/5th of the way to 1000 respondents.

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Originally Posted by isuzurover

... We are 1/5th of the way to 1000 respondents.

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Fabulous, now we don't have to use Fisher's Exact Test! :D ;) :p

And what happened to "Certificate", "Advanced Certificate", "Associate Diploma", "Diploma" and "Advanced Diploma"?