carbon levy on refrigerants

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Originally Posted by scarry

yer,yer Dave blknight,you do like a cold beer?Oh,also groceries at the local shops?;):)

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yep, but who needs a fridge? Dig a nice pit in some clean dry soil wet it down well, pour in a little petrol, stick the beer in, cover loosely with about 6 inches of soil wet that down then add more petrol, light and wait about 5 minutes. The beer will be cool.

Easy and as a bonus the extra work makes you appreciate the cold beer just that much more.

OR just stick 2 beers down the diffuser of a CO2 extinguisher point it vertically and give it short bursts, 5 half second bursts then take the cans out swap top to bottom and go again....

as for fruit and veg, we normally get our from the local growers market where its not only cheaper but nicer than the stuff from the local shops AND in less packaging.

Oh well. Lets keep on using Propane:wasntme:

Didiman

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Originally Posted by Ean Austral

R22 is used on most trawlers and if buying 60kg bottle's we used to pay $12 / kg 2 yrs ago . Last year it went to $22 / kg :eek:, this year last quoted price was $38 / kg. :(:(

Then get a letter in the mail 3 weeks ago saying the price will rise significantly with the Carbon tax.

Doesn't sound much, but the system holds 200kg and carry 120kg spare.

Anyone want to buy a prawn trawler...

Cheers Ean

PS forgot to mention that have all the Gov levies ontop of those prices:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad ::mad:

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Wayne Swan is our Federal member. Perhaps you should raise your concerns in a letter , with the rest of the fishermen up here. It would be interesting to see if you get an answer. Bob

wayne Swan PO BOX 182 Nundah Brisbane Qld 4012

Ph. 07 3266 8244

www.swanmp.org [ I have found his staff to be approachable if done without malice. whether they will give you an appropiate answer is another thing]

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Originally Posted by 123rover50

Oh well. Lets keep on using Propane:wasntme:

Didiman

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nahh it usually evaporates before you can get it into the soil so wont work.... however...

The jet powered beer cooler solves that nicely

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

nahh it usually evaporates before you can get it into the soil so wont work.... however...

The jet powered beer cooler solves that nicely

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Have had beer Kimberley cool whilst on the road in the Territory. Do the old digger trick, tot of rum, down the hatch, put the dregs in the beer, you're a millionare for a day, Bob [the hangover, however....]

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Originally Posted by Blknight.aus

The beer wll be cool.


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But we need the beer cold,not cool:)
Dry ice may help?

Yep,the extra work will also make you feel good and help with fitness.

Reminds me of the many days in the early 70's camping on Fraser island,during Christmas holidays.
No such things as fridges,we kept the marg & cheese in containers in the creek.
Many a fish was thrown back as we couldn't keep them,easy to catch a big feed in those days.

Um,poured 12 kg of R404a into a freezer room today,another broken discharge pipe.Now if that had happened in a couple of weeks time,ouch....:( the customer would not have been happy:mad:

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Originally Posted by bob10

Wayne Swan is our Federal member. Perhaps you should raise your concerns in a letter , with the rest of the fishermen up here. It would be interesting to see if you get an answer. Bob

wayne Swan PO BOX 182 Nundah Brisbane Qld 4012

Ph. 07 3266 8244

www.swanmp.org [ I have found his staff to be approachable if done without malice. whether they will give you an appropiate answer is another thing]

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Don't bother,many letters have been written,all have been ignored.Our suppliers have also gone to the ACCC,also ignored.:mad:
The industry was not consulted at all..........

Thats the way it works,they make the rules,we just have to cop it AGAIN:mad:

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Originally Posted by bacicat2000

Very funny.:p I've got the same brochure, but I won't see ant compensation, or tax cuts, so I'm not sure how that all works. Maybe if I ask very nicely and show them their own brochure, then maybe they will give me some money...:D

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You dont understand, the government has changed the definition, if you are not on welfare and you actually pay tax you are not considered a "household" but are considered a government debtor and cash cow.

More than that, if the carbon tax is $23/tonne then the maximum increase on the refrigerants (if they were pure carbon and discharged to the atmosphere) should be 2.3¢/kg and given that they should remain in a sealed system there should be no tax because the gas is sequestrated in the system.

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Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

You dont understand, the government has changed the definition, if you are not on welfare and you actually pay tax you are not considered a "household" but are considered a government debtor and cash cow.

More than that, if the carbon tax is $23/tonne then the maximum increase on the refrigerants (if they were pure carbon and discharged to the atmosphere) should be 2.3¢/kg and given that they should remain in a sealed system there should be no tax because the gas is sequestrated in the system.

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Exactly,but the way they work it out is a factor multiplied by that particular refrigerants global warming potential.

Looks like they just needed another $400 mill or so to throw down the nearest drain,and thought this is easy.:mad:

it is not a tax, nor is it a levy......
looks like the abbott propaganda machine is winning.....
dont challenge me on this, do your homework.....