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the one other thing i would add is that my understanding is that the levy is on the import of these gases. So unless you are purchasing stock that has been imported since 1 July you are probably just getting ripped off.
i would try reporting it to the ACCC. enough people do then maybe something will happen. saying they wont do anything but not bothering to try is not going to help :-)
I don't fully understand this. How much R134a has the potential of 1300 tonnes of co2Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonedu
It's actually a different measure, the synthetic refrigerants have a greater GW potential because they last longer (years) in the atmosphere than natural refrigerants. (Not broken down because they are synthetic.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Whippy
For the refrig. guys on here,can you believe R404a wholesale price in New Zealand is less than $ AU 9.00/kg. today.
We are definitely getting ripped off here in Aus.:mad:
That is about a third of the price we were paying before the massive cost increases 1st July 2012.:mad::mad:
Oh, and R22 in NZ is around $AU 13.00KG.
What the regulators failed to acknowledge is that only a tiny % of refrigerants are accidentally released into the atmosphere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies
Unlike a fossil fuel which is burnt and released, we try and keep the stuff inside the system !
Here's the RRP/list price of various refrigerants from the largest national wholesaler.
R134a $175.93/kg
R410a $232.32/kg (current air cond. refrig)
R404a $232.32/kg (a small supermarket system I service takes 20kg of this stuff in just the 8 door dairy display and coolroom)
R507a $393.36
R407c $216.45
R22 $165.82
R409a $184.63 (an R12 replacement)
R408a $282.09
R123 $205.32
These are all excl. GST and the $2.30/kg RRA/industry levy
It's all getting a little silly.
It would be interesting to know the actual proportion that is released. As I see it, most of the refrigerant that is sold retail (what we are talking about the price of) is used to replace leakage. What proportion of total refrigerant produced this represents, I have no idea. But if you add that from improperly discarded equipment, I suspect it will be fairly high.Quote:
Originally Posted by rick130
John
Rick,
Think that 404a price is to good to believe;)
The retail from my supplier is around $370 K/G,similar to R507.
It is getting more than silly............!:mad::mad:
Trying to price repairs is a nightmare:mad:
Oh well,things could be worse i suppose..............
I actually went to a job today that takes around 8kg of 404a,has virtually none in the system,split tube inside an evaporator coil that is less than 5yrs old.These are the things that happen in our game all day,and there is virtually nothing we can do about it.
EXACTLY,but has anything been done about this?Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonedu
Nothing.
Months ago ACCC were in the media saying they were doing a complicated investigation into the massive increase in refrigerant prices,but it appears nothing has been done about it.
Every refrigerant wholesaler that i know of doubled our buying price on the 1st July 2012,and then added the carbon levy.
Nice little earning.:(
Hmm, I'm not so sure about that John, but it would be a really interesting exercise to work out, and I'm sure industry has in their submissions to Govt over the last several years.Quote:
Originally Posted by JDNSW
In fact I have an industry submission paper here somewhere and it should have those numbers on it, but I'm just too lazy to go looking :angel:
Fridges that are dumped at council tips have the refrigerant properly recovered (if it's still there) and commercial systems will have it recovered for re-use/re-processing but yes, a lot escapes to the atmosphere, a hell of a lot.