Thread: carbon levy on refrigerants

Originally Posted by jasonedu

The price is based on $23 per ton of CO2 equivilent. for example the refridgerent R134a has as much global warming potential of 1300 tonnes of CO2 so the levy on each ton is $29900.

I don't fully understand this. How much R134a has the potential of 1300 tonnes of co2

Originally Posted by Mr Whippy

I don't fully understand this. How much R134a has the potential of 1300 tonnes of co2

It's actually a different measure, the synthetic refrigerants have a greater GW potential because they last longer (years) in the atmosphere than natural refrigerants. (Not broken down because they are synthetic.)

For the refrig. guys on here,can you believe R404a wholesale price in New Zealand is less than $ AU 9.00/kg. today.

We are definitely getting ripped off here in Aus.

That is about a third of the price we were paying before the massive cost increases 1st July 2012.

Oh, and R22 in NZ is around $AU 13.00KG.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

It's actually a different measure, the synthetic refrigerants have a greater GW potential because they last longer (years) in the atmosphere than natural refrigerants. (Not broken down because they are synthetic.)

What the regulators failed to acknowledge is that only a tiny % of refrigerants are accidentally released into the atmosphere.

Unlike a fossil fuel which is burnt and released, we try and keep the stuff inside the system !

Here's the RRP/list price of various refrigerants from the largest national wholesaler.

R134a $175.93/kg

R410a $232.32/kg (current air cond. refrig)

R404a $232.32/kg (a small supermarket system I service takes 20kg of this stuff in just the 8 door dairy display and coolroom)

R507a $393.36

R407c $216.45

R22 $165.82

R409a $184.63 (an R12 replacement)

R408a $282.09

R123 $205.32

These are all excl. GST and the $2.30/kg RRA/industry levy






It's all getting a little silly.

Originally Posted by rick130

What the regulators failed to acknowledge is that only a tiny % of refrigerants are accidentally released into the atmosphere.

Unlike a fossil fuel which is burnt and released, we try and keep the stuff inside the system !

It would be interesting to know the actual proportion that is released. As I see it, most of the refrigerant that is sold retail (what we are talking about the price of) is used to replace leakage. What proportion of total refrigerant produced this represents, I have no idea. But if you add that from improperly discarded equipment, I suspect it will be fairly high.

John

Rick,
Think that 404a price is to good to believe

The retail from my supplier is around $370 K/G,similar to R507.


It is getting more than silly............!

Trying to price repairs is a nightmare

Oh well,things could be worse i suppose..............

I actually went to a job today that takes around 8kg of 404a,has virtually none in the system,split tube inside an evaporator coil that is less than 5yrs old.These are the things that happen in our game all day,and there is virtually nothing we can do about it.

Originally Posted by jasonedu

So unless you are purchasing stock that has been imported since 1 July you are probably just getting ripped off.

EXACTLY,but has anything been done about this?

Nothing.

Months ago ACCC were in the media saying they were doing a complicated investigation into the massive increase in refrigerant prices,but it appears nothing has been done about it.

Every refrigerant wholesaler that i know of doubled our buying price on the 1st July 2012,and then added the carbon levy.

Nice little earning.