Thread: carbon levy on refrigerants

Originally Posted by incisor

anyone with an IQ above 5 can see it is a blatant grab for more money by the gas manufacturers.

they themselves reckon it isnt just the carbon tax but a collection of reasons ranging from compliance to manufacturing costs.

any such price rises occurring in other parts of the world that would help justify their position?

You are correct, but the position is this will effect evryone. I have letters from transport companies telling of price increases blamed on the new levies on gas but also the rule's on gas storage and handling which are effecting their costs which will in the end be pasted on.

Me personally, I have spent over $1000 in the last 2 yrs just to get my refrigeration handling license revaladated because I fit in a "GREY" area in the new rules, add $250 a year in fee's just to hold the license and it gets expensive.

I bet the ACCC wont do a thing, even though as per the price list I provided show's it's a blatant rip-off.

Cheers Ean

Originally Posted by Ean Austral

Can you please explain to me using your knowledge why the price increase on the attached sheet have occured.

just remember these price increase's next time you want your air con regased and you see the bill..Most cars use 404a I believe, so check out that increase...

Cheers Ean

That doesn't make sense - R22 has only increased in price by ~70%

Sounds like you should switch back to R22, or switch to R290 (propane).

Originally Posted by isuzurover

That doesn't make sense - R22 has only increased in price by ~70%

Sounds like you should switch back to R22, or switch to R290 (propane).

No quite , R22 was only $32kg at 1-1-12.

Cheers Ean

Originally Posted by isuzurover

That doesn't make sense - R22 has only increased in price by ~70%

Sounds like you should switch back to R22, or switch to R290 (propane).

The factories coolrooms at work use the 507, the trawlers still use R22

Cheers Ean

Originally Posted by Ean Austral

The factories coolrooms at work use the 507, the trawlers still use R22

Cheers Ean

Maybe time to consider Care 50 or one of the other brand hydrocarbon refrigerant replacements for R22/R407C?

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Maybe time to consider Care 50 or one of the other hydrocarbon refrigerants?

YES

NO!!! Flammable refrigerants are restricted to small capacity systems (a few Kg of refrigerant in the UK iirc) for what should be fairly obvious reasons. Most Care refrigerants are flammable between 3 & 10% by volume. All electrical gear used with these refrigerants (in the UK) MUST, by law, be explosive environment approved. That means not only all the electrical in the fridge, but all your vac pumps, reclaim units, charging scales, etc, etc too.
Of course, here in Oz where we lead the world and know better than everyone else, maybe we don't bother with all that eh? Dunno, I just avoid the stuff.

I can't eat shellfish, but I presume those of you who do appreciate Ean's service would rather his trawler doesn't 'mysteriously' blow up at sea?

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Maybe time to consider Care 50 or one of the other brand hydrocarbon refrigerant replacements for R22/R407C?

NO WAY............That stuff would be nice sitting in the bottom of a trawler

This refrigerant price gouging needs to be looked into by someone with some balls

R507/R404a,which is basically the same stuff,can even be mixed is the big looser in all this.It had a 60% increase in price during May & June,and now has around $75/KG added becase of the carbon tax

We use this stuff all day,like water..........

And actually about another $25 has also been added 1st july per KG as well due to "business costs"

The whole refrigerant wholesale pricing structure stinks