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  1. 24th June 2012, 05:06 PM #1
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    carbon levy on refrigerants

    Anyone one noticed the amount of carbon levy that is to be added to the cost of refrigerants?
    The main refrigerants used in commercial refrigeration,R404a & r507 base wholesale costs will increase at least 300%.
    This is on top of compounding increases during the last 2 months of approx 60% on all refrigerants,implemented by wholesalers & having nothing to do with the carbon levy,they say this is caused by increased business costs.

    The only synthetic refrigerant that will not have a carbon levy is R22 that is being phased out.It is by far the most common refrigerant & has doubled in cost over the last 12 months,and increases will continue.

    Looks like the govt has found a nice little cash cow,and do not realise that an increase of this amount is sure to cause massive pain.or more than likely,could not care less.

    The other common refrigerants,such as R134a,r410a,r407c will rise in costs around 100 to 200%.

    These refrigerants are imported,so the carbon used in the manufacturing is overseas.

    These cost increases appear to be a lot of pain for very little,if any gain.
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  2. 24th June 2012, 05:23 PM #2
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    meh, aircons overrated anyway. 6 hp drain on the engine for no important reason. Powersteering, Automatic transmissions, electric windows, traction control ABS can all go the same way...

    get off your butt, do some exersize and get the OEM armstrong powersteering units back and the quad drive brakes working properly, go play some sports to up the co-ordination between the hands and the feet and drive a manual then get some driving lessons...

    hell of a lot cheaper in every respect..



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  3. 24th June 2012, 05:24 PM #3
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    Everyone is going to have their slice of the cake on this one.

    If the government thinks this tax is going to have a minimal impact on prices & the economy, it is misguided.

    I will be recommending to contact the ACCC to all claims about the carbon tax.

    The ACCC price hotline number 1300 303 609 and the ACCC's website also has information for both consumers and small business regarding the new impost.
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  4. 24th June 2012, 05:41 PM #4
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    R22 is used on most trawlers and if buying 60kg bottle's we used to pay $12 / kg 2 yrs ago . Last year it went to $22 / kg , this year last quoted price was $38 / kg.

    Then get a letter in the mail 3 weeks ago saying the price will rise significantly with the Carbon tax.

    Doesn't sound much, but the system holds 200kg and carry 120kg spare.

    Anyone want to buy a prawn trawler...

    Cheers Ean

    PS forgot to mention that have all the Gov levies ontop of those prices
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  5. 24th June 2012, 06:06 PM #5
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    Excuse me!
    I believe you have only told one half of the story!
    We will all be amply compensated for the carbon dioxide tax.
    You forgot that didn't you.

    Please tell the truth. No household will be worse off....I know.....I got a guvmint brochure about it the other day.

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    Bugger. Up go the prices of my favourite food. Prawns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph1Malph View Post
    Excuse me!
    I believe you have only told one half of the story!
    We will all be amply compensated for the carbon dioxide tax.
    You forgot that didn't you.

    Please tell the truth. No household will be worse off....I know.....I got a guvmint brochure about it the other day.

    Ralph
    Very funny. I've got the same brochure, but I won't see ant compensation, or tax cuts, so I'm not sure how that all works. Maybe if I ask very nicely and show them their own brochure, then maybe they will give me some money...
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  8. 24th June 2012, 06:32 PM #8
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    yer,yer Dave blknight,you do like a cold beer?Oh,also groceries at the local shops?
    We could go to ice chests & dried meat?
    I agree the old way is often better,but this is looked at as going backward

    What's say we go back to the good old R12

    Forgot to mention the greeny levy on each kg,that will stay for sure.

    Oh & coles just bought 50000 kg's last month.Can't work out why?

    In fact where possible the supermarket chain are going to R134a as it has less carbon levy than r404a.The system will use more power,but they are happy to pay this as power is very competitive,therefore the can get a good price.As for the carbon levy,well who knows what price it will be in a few yrs,now how long is a piece of string?

    That refrigerant on the trawler may be worth more than the trawler.

    Um,they keep saying it is only a tax on the big polluters?

    Also,GST is on top of it as well............
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ean Austral View Post
    R22 is used on most trawlers and if buying 60kg bottle's we used to pay $12 / kg 2 yrs ago . Last year it went to $22 / kg , this year last quoted price was $38 / kg.

    Then get a letter in the mail 3 weeks ago saying the price will rise significantly with the Carbon tax.

    Doesn't sound much, but the system holds 200kg and carry 120kg spare.

    Anyone want to buy a prawn trawler...

    Cheers Ean

    PS forgot to mention that have all the Gov levies ontop of those prices
    When we did the original install at the Logan Hyperdome,there were 22 large DX a/c systems,each one took 400kg's of R22.

    This levy will break many businesses.

    It will also break many A/C & refrig companies,the refrigerant in many jobs will be way more than the profit in the job

    oh,the bottle rentals have suddenly gone up as well.............

    The wholesalers have taken refrigerant out of any warranty claims on any of their equipment.

    Insurance companies will probably wipe it off any of their policies as well,no doubt.

    Testing times to say the least
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  10. 24th June 2012, 10:07 PM #10
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    WOW that really does suck ..i just had to have another quick chat to the handbrake and told her what prices we could be looking at with the A/C in the rangie ..its bad enough that prices for refilling where i am range for $150-$180 with those possible ranging increases i could be looking at $260+ ...thats a joke ..like living cost is not hard enough especially on the doll trying to get work with no avail
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