Thread: Royal Commision

Well Eevo,, what is it about?

Crikey journalist Bernard Keane put it nicely:

1. Existing institutions are not up to the task. The criminal justice system can only prosecute individual incidences, or individual perpetrators, of abuse. The institutional arrangements that enabled the cover-up of offences and the protection of offenders is beyond the direct scope of trials of paedophiles. Moreover, the criminal justice system, with its focus on prosecution, creates an adversarial environment that is confronting and painful for victims. A royal commission, which specifically cannot make judicial findings about individuals, can provide a more comfortable environment for abuse victims to tell their stories. And existing state inquiries, such as the Victorian parliamentary inquiry and the newly-announced NSW inquiry into child abuse in the Hunter region, are ultimately ill-equipped to deal with an international institution. The Catholic Church operates on a global level, able to transfer paedophiles and their protectors out of jurisdictions — whether regional or national — where their activities have come under scrutiny, and operating under instruction from a controlling entity that poses as a nation-state, the Vatican.

2. The Commonwealth and other governments have subsidised offending institutions. The Commonwealth and state government, via the tax-exempt status of religious institutions, funding for Catholic schools and contractual relationships in areas like employment services, have subsidised the institutions in which child abuse, and the protection of paedophiles, has occurred. Any royal commission must address the sources of financial support for processes of abuse facilitation, including government funding.

3. It is the culture of abuse and cover-up that must be investigated. While existing processes and cases focus on individuals — the offenders, those who protected them or, from a media standpoint, high-profile church leaders like George Pell — the issue of most relevance to victims and their families is surely not merely bringing offenders to justice, but investigating the institutional culture that facilitated abuse and its cover-up, including the refusal to take victims seriously and identifying the systemic causes of it, rather than focusing on any single individual.

Sadly, much of the cotton wool is soaked in vinegar and blood.

Cheers
KarlB

Coming in on this a bit late, all I have to say is.......I cannot think of anything more filthy than robbing an innocent child of their childhood through paedophilia, every child deserves a safe and happy upbringing. This Royal Commission could not have come soon enough. I also think the "cotton wool" remarks made above are not called for on this Thread, but should be the subject of another Thread.

i do not know much about the topic or what the go is with the cotton wool. But i know that there has been some cases local to here and i know someone who had an uncle(still does) that is one of these dirty priests and the whole family kind of knew of it would not trust their kids around him. The weird thing is though he had kids and a wife who stood by him through all this.

Royal Commission long over due. Go get the BAS......D's & those that hid / helped them . Even if it goes to the top of the Catholic church as many suspect it does.

I feel very sorry for all the young & inocent live it has ruined. And those that will never reach old age because of these attrocities . Not forgetting the many friends & family member s of those abused it has also touched

Gary

just a warning that this will be moved to "the cantina" if it heats up any further than it has

i don't mind robust discussion but i wont tolerate personality posts.

every one is entitled to a view no matter how onerous you may consider it.

Sorry the Royal Commission is a total waste of money and resources and won't achieve a thing.

There has been enough Priests, Teachers and Boy Scouts jailed in the past for society to know that child molesters exist and that they are assisted by the institutions that employ them by failing to properly vet and monitor the workers and act on child complaints about abuse.

Just another Commission to tell us something we already know about and have failed to act on and we won't act on the outcomes what ever they are and even more sadly we won't stop child molesting from happening in the future as they will always exist and act whenever the opportunity exists.

Child Internet porn is another example of the problem that has existed and we still fail to deal with the issues seriously as a society handing out low sentences to the evil doers.

Catholic Church ought to be ashamed of its past and its current Archbishop Pell should go spend the rest of his life on his knees praying for forgiveness for his total failure in leasership of the Church to stamp out the rot in his ranks and compensate the victims and put in place systems to prevent it from happening in the future and as for saying it is media beatup and no evidence he ought to resign and pray forgiveness

Originally Posted by cartm58

Sorry the Royal Commission is a total waste of money and resources and won't achieve a thing.

There has been enough Priests, Teachers and Boy Scouts jailed in the past for society to know that child molesters exist and that they are assisted by the institutions that employ them by failing to properly vet and monitor the workers and act on child complaints about abuse.

Just another Commission to tell us something we already know about and have failed to act on and we won't act on the outcomes what ever they are and even more sadly we won't stop child molesting from happening in the future as they will always exist and act whenever the opportunity exists.

Child Internet porn is another example of the problem that has existed and we still fail to deal with the issues seriously as a society handing out low sentences to the evil doers.

Catholic Church ought to be ashamed of its past and its current Archbishop Pell should go spend the rest of his life on his knees praying for forgiveness for his total failure in leasership of the Church to stamp out the rot in his ranks and compensate the victims and put in place systems to prevent it from happening in the future and as for saying it is media beatup and no evidence he ought to resign and pray forgiveness

It will be a waste of money and resources due to the complicit nature of organisations like all churches, 'welfare' institutions, etc and governments.....as in it will take a disproportionate amount of time, money and effort to get any result.

But I disagree that it won't achieve anything....there will be some careers lost, some charges laid and some successful prosecutions. Not enough for sure, but that little success makes it all worthwhile. We owe it to the victims. To sit back and say it will achieve nothing, will do exactly that!