Thread: Are these five school punishments unacceptable?

Too many ****weak parents these days that don,t discipline their kids making it harder for the schools to teach and discipline effectively. Too many rights and these kids know it and use it. When I went to school the cane was used and was feared by most I mean who really wants to get the cane so was a good deterrent. There is now no deterrent and you can see that in the attitudes of a large percentage of the kids today. Physical punishment is not meant to be abuse and anyone abusing kids should be dealt with but physical pain (probably not the right choice of words) is or was a good deterrent growing up. I can tell the difference in mates (adults) that I grew up with who had the smack on the bum to those that didn't.

Originally Posted by pizzapete

Too many ****weak parents these days that don,t discipline their kids making it harder for the schools to teach and discipline effectively. Too many rights and these kids know it and use it. When I went to school the cane was used and was feared by most I mean who really wants to get the cane so was a good deterrent. There is now no deterrent and you can see that in the attitudes of a large percentage of the kids today. Physical punishment is not meant to be abuse and anyone abusing kids should be dealt with but physical pain (probably not the right choice of words) is or was a good deterrent growing up. I can tell the difference in mates (adults) that I grew up with who had the smack on the bum to those that didn't.

So you're happy with parents and teachers that use physical violence against kids? That's the way forward is it?

Originally Posted by pizzapete

Too many ****weak parents these days that don,t discipline their kids making it harder for the schools to teach and discipline effectively.

I totally agree, it comes straight back to the parents.

Little John or Jane is a complete ratbag, no discipline, Mum and Dad (more often than not unfortunately only one at home I would guess) provide no guidance and or discipline in the home environment.

Kiddie goes to school, no concept of boundaries or discipline, teacher reacts and parents get all indignant,

How often do these parents find out what their little precious did and say to them, you got what you deserved.

Now perhaps they could then go to the school in private and say, hey that was a bit harsh I am not happy. But no they make a song and dance in from of the little ratbag, put it on facebook and the kiddie learns, if I make a big deal of it I get away with anything !!

The odd flogging did me no harm, I knew the rules and the consequences of breaking them, sore hands or a smack on the butt, sometimes I figured the risk was worth the reward other times not.

That is a pretty valuable life lesson in my book.

Respect and self discipline must start at home, you can not abrogate that responsibility to the school system and then complain about it.

Not to say all the examples below are correct but if you fight, having to then holding hands with your opponent is a great punishment, not because it means you are "gay" but means you have to deal with this person in a differnet way.

Throw the food we give you, you must not be very hungry, bring your own food for a week and you might respect the fact you are getting fed !

A paddle for cheating big deal, does it matter if it was a male or femaile teacher, no provided there was nothing else untoward.

A padded cell/isolation room, how about ringing the parent/s and getting them to collect the child and they can sort out the behaviour.

Arrest for minor school infringements ? does not sound right?

As the father of a 13 yr old girl and 10 yr old boy I know how much fun and how difficult they can be and I expect the school to educate them and give them positive examples that build on what my wife and I do at home. If they get into trouble I ask them why, "I do not know" is not an acceptable answer !!

End of my rant.

George

I think the basic issue is that young people must learn that actions have consequences, which may not be pleasant. How to let them suffer those consequences without suffering permanent injury is the issue. Done well, they learn a valuable life-lesson.
I see no problem with denying food if students throw their food around. You misuse it, you lose it. Being hungry until they get home won't hurt them, but it might be something they remember.
Isolation is not just an issue for the student, but is also an issue for protecting other students. In a class of say 25, if one child is violent the teacher has a WHS responsibility to take reasonable actions to protect the other 24 from the violent one. Isolation can be that way. Its the same as parents sending their children to their bedrooms if they misbehave. Its a better alternatvie than smacking.
If a child commits a crime against another student, then the school has a legal responsibility to involve the police. Examples are physical and sexual assault. The school is legally obliged to involve the police. If the parents don't like that, its too bad. The rights of the victim override those of others.
Joyriding is an example with older students. I have shown Google images pics of road accidents to young people to warn them about the reality of car crashes. Its not just the driver but also the others in the vehicle who need to know.
Personally, I don't support caning. Its just teaching kids that violence is an OK way to respond to a problem, which is a bad lesson. There are smarter ways to deal with this.

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Personally, I don't support caning. Its just teaching kids that violence is an OK way to respond to a problem, which is a bad lesson. There are smarter ways to deal with this.[/QUOTE]

That bit I do not agree with.It has been proven that " politically correctness" which your chain of thoughts come under,has failed in every aspect.I,have just seen from a recently immigrated family from England what was issued to their son by way of a card on his rights under everyone, teachers and parents included and it is no wonder,in my mind and his parents too,why those riots of recent times happened and why they consider the UK is down the gurgler.
A good whack never hurt me and if deserving should still be given if it is justified.

kids dont have the mental ability (im not explained this right) to know that running across the road is dangerous.

smacking them over the hand is a negative re-enforcement technique that can be undersdtood.

running across rd = hurt hand. i dont like hurt hand, i wont run across rd.

Originally Posted by Eevo

kids dont have the mental ability (im not explained this right) to know that running across the road is dangerous.

smacking them over the hand is a negative re-enforcement technique that can be undersdtood.

running across rd = hurt hand. i dont like hurt hand, i wont run across rd.

You don't understand negative reinforcement.

Originally Posted by Disco44

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Personally, I don't support caning. Its just teaching kids that violence is an OK way to respond to a problem, which is a bad lesson. There are smarter ways to deal with this.

That bit I do not agree with.It has been proven that " politically correctness" which your chain of thoughts come under,has failed in every aspect.I,have just seen from a recently immigrated family from England what was issued to their son by way of a card on his rights under everyone, teachers and parents included and it is no wonder,in my mind and his parents too,why those riots of recent times happened and why they consider the UK is down the gurgler.
A good whack never hurt me and if deserving should still be given if it is justified.[/QUOTE]

So a footballer whose girlfriend wont listen is OK to give her a 'good whack' then, is he?

People that use violence against kids are weak, stupid and offensive in every way.