Thread: Who suffers from high Cholesterol

Originally Posted by superquag

I hope you're not going by the report on Quackwatch... as the person who runs has been found to be a fraud...

Doctor Watch: US court rules that Dr. Barrett is a fraud and FDA front man.

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There's always 3 sides to every story...

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No, I read the original document

Well, perhaps the 3rd side of the story is that research scientist have been trained to do that, research and have the hardware, facilities and funds to do them.
Doctors who are working in their profession do not have the time, facilities and funds to do a comprehensive research.
I rather go by findings of institutions like the Mayo Clinic or Universities instead of the findings of a single professional that base his theory only by his work as a doctor.

Originally Posted by Chucaro

....I rather go by findings of institutions like the Mayo Clinic or Universities instead of the findings of a single professional that base his theory only by his work as a doctor.

I suspect you've missed the point, that the "theory" this doctor is supporting, is not exclusively his, it's been around the alternative health world for quite some time. Other doctors have arrived at the same or similar conclusions.

Big, important institutions and organizations have told us for over 50 years what to do, resulting in the obesity/heart disease/diabetic disaster we see around us. Their careful research has'nt worked.

Anyway, Ean has (as a non-professional...) tried a differant dietry approach and provided us with the results.

It works.

I'd rather go with the evidence.

Originally Posted by superquag

I suspect you've missed the point, that the "theory" this doctor is supporting, is not exclusively his, it's been around the alternative health world for quite some time. Other doctors have arrived at the same or similar conclusions.

Big, important institutions and organizations have told us for over 50 years what to do, resulting in the obesity/heart disease/diabetic disaster we see around us. Their careful research has'nt worked.

Anyway, Ean has (as a non-professional...) tried a differant dietry approach and provided us with the results.

It works.

I'd rather go with the evidence.

Just because one person or thousands of them have managed to reduc the cholesterol by a diet and increase of omega 3 intake
it does mean that is a strong evidence.
In many cases the increase of cholesterol is genetical and due to a critical enzyme. (familial hypercholesterolaemia)
People with this problem will have high cholesterol even by drinking water only.
Fortunately I can control it a bit by increasing the good cholesterol but not to Ean's level.

Interesting subject, I had high chloresterol, & blood pressure,cut back on beer[ don't drink spirits], cut out sugar & salt, no takeaway food, and the miracle food? Porridge, & multi grain bread.Plenty of fruit, unprocessed nuts, all good. Bob

Originally Posted by bob10

Interesting subject, I had high chloresterol, & blood pressure,cut back on beer[ don't drink spirits], cut out sugar & salt, no takeaway food, and the miracle food? Porridge, & multi grain bread.Plenty of fruit, unprocessed nuts, all good. Bob

No Bob, it is not all good.... you... stirrer, disobedient, revolutionary..you.Heretic !!!

Don't you know that porridge can't be patented (yet...) and that take-away foods are so incredibly beneficial to health ???
(ok, the health of their owner's bank accounts...)

How will the Big Beneficial Companies make their squillions is you and others like you say such things...????

You must herewith recant your evil, pernicous ways, eat white bread fortified with vitamins, support the wine and beer industries that pay so much in tax and understand that smoking was once endorsed by American Doctors... so it really IS good for you.

Sadly, even the British Medical Journal, once a bastion of the Medical Establishment has published as similar inflammatory article...

Big Pharma lies about statin drugs finally exposed in British Medical Journal

- And think of all those Queensland cane farmers who will suffer from your actions ! Very 'Un-Australian'... - That it works for you and makes you healthy is beside the point. (of profits...)

James

Originally Posted by superquag

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- And think of all those Queensland cane farmers who will suffer from your actions ! Very 'Un-Australian'... - That it works for you and makes you healthy is beside the point. (of profits...)

James

James, I do not blame you for being sarcastic about medicine and money.

Regarding Cholesterol, big pharmaceutical companies and politicians we have only to look at the medicine Policosanol sold in Cuba.
Policosanol is a natural substance derived from sugar cane that is advertised for its lipid-lowering effects as a nonprescription drug. More than 80 placebo-controlled or comparative trials, performed mostly by a single research institute, suggest that policosanol at doses of 5 to 40 mg/d has lipoprotein-lowering effects comparable with statins.
( It is not all lost for the cane farmers )

American companies (including Blackmores) with the bless of the USA political and medical authorities have patented the name Policosanol using diferent formula for their "clayton" medicine to try to block a Cuban product.

I have to try again to get the real Policosanol here in OZ, it used to be available by Bioceuticals.

Originally Posted by superquag

No Bob, it is not all good.... you... stirrer, disobedient, revolutionary..you.Heretic !!!



James

OOPS, is that you, John Paul. [ I know I promised to actually put money in the collection box, instead of old washers off my land rover ], As part of my penance, I promise to drink more beer, but my far distant Scottish ancestors have passed down the secret of life, and I'm obliged , by the ancient law of King Constantine 11, the Pict/ Gaelic King of Scotland, to stand by the tradition. Besides, the Romans left Brittain years ago, [and what did the Romans ever do for us? besides ..........] And, that's no' the way to make porridge.

Ummmm, must say I'm dinky-di, one part of our family goes back 40,000 years, but for some reason we don't talk about them, Bob

I discovered that my cholesterol levels were climbing when I had a blood test done to confirm another condition.

My doctor gave me a list of foods to eat and those to avoid - all of which are common sense and have already been mentioned. The other thing that he said I must do is to exercise 5-7 times a week for 30mins at an intensity that makes you puff. So the next morning I evicted the spiders from my mountain bike and went for a ride - and I puffed alot! Since then I have tried to ride 5-7 mornings a week.

When I returned to the doctor 6 months later he was extremely pleased with my progress. My cholesterol levels had dropped from "moderate risk" level to "low risk". Not only had my cholesterol levels dropped, but I'd also lost 15kg. The weight loss was a bonus. And without medication.

I am certain that it is the exercise that is the key in conjunction with diet. People that I have spoken to with cholesterol problems all tell me that they have tried everything, then I ask them about exercise. Very few I've spoken to do any extra exercise that really makes them work hard.
Having said that, when I read through the posts in this thread, I noticed that the focus is also on diet. Exercise is equally important!