Any Decent Recruitment Companies out there?

**Lionelgee** · 19th January 2013, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by Hoges

A couple of points:

Never forget that modern recruitment firms have their genesis in the slave markets of Rome over 2500 yrs ago... There were entrepreneurs who marketed those captured in the innumerable wars with the Greeks and others...men, women and children alike. You want a tutor for your kids...buy a Greek because they were generally well educated etc.... selling bodies for lira / drachma / AUD / GBP / USD / FF / DM / Rupees etc etc nothing much has changed, including the "ethics"...

That being said, they rely on "placement" to bring in the $$$, so at 10-15% of annual package, they need to recruit successfully at least 15 people pa for every person in the firm... so time is money and sadly many of them with young and inexperienced staff just think about the $$$$$.

Before sending in a résumé, have a look at the website of the RCSA (RCSA Home) esp the code of conduct. Then when you are about to send in your résumé , call the agency first and ask if they are members. Tell them you believe you are well qualified for the role and ask them how your résume' will be assessed should you choose to send it to them and if you are unsuccessful would they be prepared to explain why?

If they resist, politely explain that you thought they were a professional organisation, but their attitude is inconsistent with the RCSA code of conduct and you'll look elsewhere...thank you!

There are terrabytes of data containing résumés in their files which should be destroyed. In the days of identity theft etc I'd be extremely careful whom Ï dealt with...

Thoughts: There are literally hundreds of people in well paid (high 6 figures) high stress jobs presently undertaking MBA degrees part time. Many of these MBA courses have a "capstone" project which the students complete in groups of 3 or 4 (called a syndicate). Said projects usually require extensive literature searches.

I know of several people who earn more than beer money undertaking the lit. searches for them. A solid week's work ---say 35 hrs... incl photocopying and an abstract of each paper @$30/hr ...not a bad earner... For 35 hrs they might do searches for a couple of syndicates on different projects.

Best thing to do is to approach the Business Schools directly ...AGSM , Melb business School , UQ etc probably best to start with...and offer your services.

With your PhD... listen to your supervisor..

they've "been there" after all and have their ticket. Their academic future is judged on their publicatioon rate and the success of their research students... with all respect, you can't be a prima donna...you gotta have a degree of flexibility

My somewhat cynical description of recruitment agencies is born of long experience in retaining them to assist with rapid recuitment programs for big projects... There are very few, relatively, whom I would feed. That being said, if you find one which is professional and lives up to commitments, maintain good relations...they're worth cultivating!

G'day Hoges,

Thank you for your reply and the number of suggestions - it is much appreciated.

I am very lucky that my principal supervisor is an Emeritus Professor and I also have one of the reputed International leaders in Asperger's Syndrome research as one of my Adjunct Supervisors. So I do listen to them .... most of the time

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I do enjoy doing literature searches too - so that is something to consider.

Thank you again.

Kind Regards
Lionel

**Lionelgee** · 14th May 2014, 06:52 PM

Hello All,

In the dim dark past in recruitment land there were companies that signed you up and if they were successful in finding you a job, they claimed a percentage of your wage for a set period. I think it was for 12 months.

Do recruitment companies such as this still exist? If so can anyone let me know who they are and how to get in contact with them?

This is because I must have a particularly useless "skills set" as I keep applying for jobs get the response back - "due to the large volume of applicants". It seems that current recruitment strategy is to grab the easiest pick of the applicants in the shortest possible time and they get paid by the employer. If you fall into the too hard basket it means extra work for the recruitment company and they just send out the standard form email about "due to the large volume of applicants"; or they don't bother contacting you at all.

Kind Regards
Lionel

**rangieman** · 14th May 2014, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Lionelgee

Hello All,

In the dim dark past in recruitment land there were companies that signed you up and if they were successful in finding you a job, they claimed a percentage of your wage for a set period. I think it was for 12 months.

Do recruitment companies such as this still exist? If so can anyone let me know who they are and how to get in contact with them?

This is because I must have a particularly useless "skills set" as I keep applying for jobs get the response back - "due to the large volume of applicants". It seems that current recruitment strategy is to grab the easiest pick of the applicants in the shortest possible time and they get paid by the employer. If you fall into the too hard basket it means extra work for the recruitment company and they just send out the standard form email about "due to the large volume of applicants"; or they don't bother contacting you at all.

Kind Regards
Lionel

Mate i wish you all the luck in the world with these companys.
I had 3 months trying to get work with these so and so's many a course completed as requested by them to no avail. All they do is fill their own pockets

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In the end i found my own job out of the paper

**ramblingboy42** · 15th May 2014, 07:55 AM

Lionel

I dont know how far you have searched and which agencies you have spoken to.

My last agency contact was with Chandler McCleod.

They didn't try to put me into a job.

They sat down with me and with more dignity and respect than I can remember talked and walked through my past and looked at my future.

They placed me in couple of roles and remained in regular contact and I was never left asking a question of them.

I have retired now and they still offer positions to me even though they know my status.

I think they may think they could coax me back into the workforce.

I felt their professionalism was reflected in the standards of the employers they represented.

If you haven't spoken to them , I recommend them.

Dennis

**Lionelgee** · 15th May 2014, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

Lionel

I dont know how far you have searched and which agencies you have spoken to.

My last agency contact was with Chandler McCleod.

They didn't try to put me into a job.

They sat down with me and with more dignity and respect than I can remember talked and walked through my past and looked at my future.

They placed me in couple of roles and remained in regular contact and I was never left asking a question of them.

I have retired now and they still offer positions to me even though they know my status.

I think they may think they could coax me back into the workforce.

I felt their professionalism was reflected in the standards of the employers they represented.

If you haven't spoken to them , I recommend them.

Dennis

Hello Dennis,

Thank you for your reply, it is much appreciated.

Just wondering which branch of Chandler McCleod did you go to see? Their nearest office to your location "Gold Coast" is Upper Mount Gravatt. Or did you live elsewhere before taking a walk in the long paddock?

I have options of going to Gladstone or Brisbane at Queen Street to see them face to face. I would have more confidence in their Brisbane office. They are not located here in Bundaberg. Hmmm Queen Street, the same one that my eye specialist is on - maybe I could kill two birds....

Kind Regards
Lionel

**SLOWBOAT** · 15th May 2014, 11:03 AM

My son has one of his best mates working as the head of a major australian recruitment company. I was discussing this exact thing in that people want to discuss the advertised positions from this company and his response was that in some cases we just want their resume' so we advertise positions that are not real and if anyone rings we just inform them to submit a resume' and then we have someone on our books to look for a position for them.
It seems that they can sometimes work in reverse, in that they get your resume' and then they look for a position for you.
Unbelievable this system.!!!

**ramblingboy42** · 15th May 2014, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by Lionelgee

Hello Dennis,

Thank you for your reply, it is much appreciated.

Just wondering which branch of Chandler McCleod did you go to see? Their nearest office to your location "Gold Coast" is Upper Mount Gravatt. Or did you live elsewhere before taking a walk in the long paddock?

I have options of going to Gladstone or Brisbane at Queen Street to see them face to face. I would have more confidence in their Brisbane office. They are not located here in Bundaberg. Hmmm Queen Street, the same one that my eye specialist is on - maybe I could kill two birds....

Kind Regards
Lionel

...it was actually a parent company of CM I initially contacted but I cannot recall their name now.

...the first time I actually went on site to the prospective employer, and met the CM rep and did all interviews with him, the sites Oh& S rep, and their HR rep.....very polished performance.

sometimes it really works.....he brought us all together and we all knew what each other was aiming for.

**Lionelgee** · 15th May 2014, 12:05 PM

Originally Posted by SLOWBOAT

My son has one of his best mates working as the head of a major australian recruitment company. I was discussing this exact thing in that people want to discuss the advertised positions from this company and his response was that in some cases we just want their resume' so we advertise positions that are not real and if anyone rings we just inform them to submit a resume' and then we have someone on our books to look for a position for them.
It seems that they can sometimes work in reverse, in that they get your resume' and then they look for a position for you.
Unbelievable this system.!!!

Hello Slowboat,

There is a technique where the recruitment person goes out and sells their client to local employers - it is called reverse marketing.

I was informed by a number of mobs that I am with, and have been with in the past, that I am a Stream 1 client = work ready. This means that they will not receive any government funding for finding me a job. So therefore I am not profitable for them. Profit equals the amount of effort they apply - nice aye!

Kind Regards
Lionel

**S3ute** · 15th May 2014, 12:11 PM

Lionel,

Last I heard you had been musing over options in Whyalla, Adelaide or somewhere closer to home - take it nothing finally came of any of this?

Cheers,

**Lionelgee** · 15th May 2014, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by S3ute

Lionel,

Last I heard you had been musing over options in Whyalla, Adelaide or somewhere closer to home - take it nothing finally came of any of this?

Cheers,

G'day S3Ute,

In short - "nope".

The long story - I applied for a job and had an interview, a month after the first written application. The first interview was a telephone one since the job was located interstate. Did not hear from them for two weeks; then they requested that I have a face-to-face interview about 1:30 hours drive away from home to attend the company's closest branch to me. A week later I was informally offered the job. Then they only contacted one of my three required referees. One week later I was informed that one of their district branch managers had resigned. In lieu they decided to upgrade the role that I had applied for to a Senior role and also they upgraded a formerly part-time role to a Senior full-time role. This meant they did not have employ a district manager. I was then encouraged to apply again - this time for a senior role. One written application and a telephone interview later I was informed that I was unsuccessful. This whole process started in February. All in all a monumental serving of being totally stuffed around.

The job that I originally applied for was in Young, New South Wales. I then applied for a Senior role in Young and the other role based in Temora, so it is not as though I am being particular about where I am prepared to move to for work. Not that there is anything wrong with either place as I like small country towns anyway. Yes, I have been applying for jobs in places like Melbourne too. so I am not ruling out big-smoke based jobs.

I have even applied for jobs in such field as Trainee Customer Service Officer with a local car yard. I tactfully removed all my degrees out of the resume. All that was required was a strong desire to learn about the car industry - well I thought I had that one pinned down

There are still jobs that I think I could be highly competent and very attractive to the employer and their stakeholders that I can apply for. I just need to be able match my thinking with those of an employer. You don't need someone to carry your bags when you go to Africa again do you

Remember that you did ask!

Kind Regards
Lionel

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