Was not a steep hill then;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Muppet
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Was not a steep hill then;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Muppet
So it wasn't Vic high country steep, sue me :pQuote:
Originally Posted by rovercare
And it's not like we were idling up, but we certainly weren't quite as fangy as the video appeared to be.
Although that could just be fancy camera angles
So you've never recovered in the terrain, yet feel that you know how it should happen?Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Muppet
A bit like towing a camper trailer? :) (Just kidding. I know not very many camper trailers are as heavy as a vehicle.)Quote:
Originally Posted by rovercare
Maybe that is why NPWS doesn't want people towing trailers on two of the three ways in to Bendethera.
FFS mate there's no winning with you is there?Quote:
Originally Posted by rovercare
I have an opinion about certain aspects of the recovery that I felt if I were present would have been done differently.
Your opinion clearly differs to mine, as is your right, yet at the same time it's my right to have mine.
So no, I've never recovered a dead vehicle at the bottom of a hill in that exact location, or anywhere near the Vic high country.
I have, however, been both the dead vehicle and the one dragging them out, in a variety of terrains including a hill that by all intents and purposes could be regarded as steep, and we managed to extract said vehicle without any of the bucking and slipping shown in that video. I'm not saying it's unavoidable in that terrain, but my opinion is that it could have been done differently. I could be wrong.
Happy now?
Rant Over :censored:
Hey, if you wanna join the flock and critiscise with no experience in the task at hand, feel free, just don't get upset when I point it out:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Muppet
Like towing 2-3 camper trailers:DQuote:
Originally Posted by vnx205
That's entirely dependent on what you define "the task at hand" as.Quote:
Originally Posted by rovercare
If you're going as far as saying Vic High Country hill recoveries then no, I have no experience and will happily concede that you're right.
That doesn't mean that other recovery experience can't be applied here, I'd say that's how most people confront new situations; they take what they already know and adapt it.
I'm not veteran offroader by any means, but I try and tackle a new track every week when I can, starting to get to the point where I feel comfortable with potentially getting stuck. And I've always been taught that when recovering you should do it in a steady, controlled type manner. Maybe in that situation that's impossible, I don't know as I haven't been there. But I don't think they needed to go charging up like they did.
Just my opinion.
I'm not necessarily criticising the task at hand, more the way they presented it. It set off my alarm bells as not being quite what it was supposed to be. There were all sorts of odd details that didn't add up, and if they'd been honest about it that would be great, but saying and showing certain things to make something appear to be more than it really was is a subtle form of lying, and the more common it is, the more acceptable it becomes. See George Orwell's essay on the misuse of language. It's interesting that he could see this coming as it seems to have really moved along during the 1940s and hasn't stopped since.Quote:
Originally Posted by rovercare
George Orwell: Politics and the English Language
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I reckon when all is said and done, and everything is squared away:
-They will be one shakle down (its in the scrub to the right behind that tree :))
-Also one pin down (by inference now two shackles down, buy four you can never have enough)
-They will also carry more extension strap next time cos you never can have enough of that
-The "team" will be happy because if they had just done it as good citizens they might have got a carton or two - but as a film crew they now have 15minuites of very very saleable film worth a tonne more than a few cartons ;)
To be honest that film, if it is watched by a swag of people, actually has a some teaching points that might save a life. Using a swinger rope from the rear of dead vehicle to the tree up hill prevented any downslope movement during recovery. That one technique if now used by average joe who wouldnt have thought of physics before this video could be a life saver... stupid people get in stupid situations all the time, they either learn smarts the hard way or watch a video and learn from the couch while drinking a beer.
Steve