Disposing of feral cats

some things I have taken from the debate, not aimed at anyone, just my thinking.

watched a video on Feral.org.au the other night. They had filmed a cat toy with a bandicoot for some time before it dismembered it, ate it's legs and head and left the torso behind. The cat is at the top of it's game, it may not have emotions, but it likes to have fun and torment it's chosen kill. We don't know it if it has a conscious, but it certainly has feeling just like the bandicoot.

I struggle to think domestic type feral cats have been here for eons. Nothing has a defence against them. I do acknowledge Quolls are a type of cat, but they are in decline also. If not from loss of habitat, then surely from feral domestic type cats as well.

I struggle a bit with the argument of being humane when killing a cat. We as humans, have been asked to leave our human side behind and see our enemies as a terrible people. And collectively do our best to kill them for our won survival. Any war will do and we still are dong it.

Though I have a choice and would like to dispose of the animal as quickly as possible. Trouble is people before me have been in-humane and used guns to shoot other people in non war times. So I no longer have a choice of a gun. Or it is very difficult to obtain, particularly to travel with through each state legally. Barrel through the cage, cat bites barrel, pull the trigger. Safe, quick, and probably the best and humane by far.

Drugs, well if the vet would give me some, and the knowledge to somehow inject the cat without loosing an arm this would be a good option. But drug addicts, and agin possibly being inhumane to each other have removed that option for me.

Thank you for the comment of driving over the cat. It had passed my mine and perhaps placing a board under the bottom surface is viable. Particularly in sand environments.

However I think in the end the cave man option of a bludgeon is an answer. It's up to me to get it right so its as quick as possible. Getting the cat from the cage into a bag may prove tricky, and perhaps to hard for a city slicker in the end, so the cat may cash in on another of its 9 lives.

The bleeding hearts and greenies can support being humane, but their approach basically leads to no action, or just talk for most. No guns, no drugs, no biological approached, no suffering. Well where does that leave me. Standing buy pretending I didn't see that cat near camp. Or expected to drive the trapped cat to a "proper disposal" facility in the desert or anywhere outside a city isn't realistic.
I want to have an input to the problem. Be it one cat a night or none. It the dam thing meows for 1 blow or 5 at least I have done something.

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Originally Posted by mikehzz

There's a new procedure been invented...it's called desexing. Your cats won't have babies after it. Then when they run off into the bush (good on you for that by the way), they won't leave any babies around to continue the problem.

It's irrelevant what a cat does, what's relevant is what you do. If you want to be cruel just like the cat then that is your choice. Or you could just kill it quickly...like a decent human being should.

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X2. As I said earlier, the cat problem is caused by problem humans and there is no excuse to torture or be cruel to them. All problem feral animals should be despatched as quickly and cleanly as possible - there is no excuse for animal cruelty be it on feral or domestic pests after all they are only doing what they have evolved to do. Also cats aren't the only animals that " play " with their catch before they kill and eat it. Killer whales are another species that do the same thing. I think you need to have a serious look at yourself if you get some enjoyment out of seeing an animal suffer horribly before it dies - and hopefully one day you will grow a brain and grow out of it.

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Originally Posted by Bearman

X2. As I said earlier, the cat problem is caused by problem humans and there is no excuse to torture or be cruel to them. All problem feral animals should be despatched as quickly and cleanly as possible - there is no excuse for animal cruelty be it on feral or domestic pests after all they are only doing what they have evolved to do. Also cats aren't the only animals that " play " with their catch before they kill and eat it. Killer whales are another species that do the same thing. I think you need to have a serious look at yourself if you get some enjoyment out of seeing an animal suffer horribly before it dies - and hopefully one day you will grow a brain and grow out of it.

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I assume you are talking to me.

I accept killer whale play with there kill. But they are whales and seals that have evolved with with each other in there natural environment. Who know's why and I'd say all of us would prefer they didn't. But that's human being humans with bleeding hearts. Feral cats are not in there natural environment. And again non of us wish to see the cat torment it's kill.

The trouble is there is a huge feral cat problem. Desexing is great but people don't do it. The fast ways are illegal for most. The Human Society have influenced people's thinking that the not so fast ways are in humane i.e bludgeon. When they were actually focusing on torture and cruelty, i.e setting cats on fire.

If you get upset about a cat suffering 2 or 3 blows to the head, go to Animal Cruelty web sites. Your cologne, shampoo, body treatment, cleaning products, detergent and yes for your car all get inserted into cats eyes. Scientist know the chemical burn, but to make sure little old activist doesn't get glowing red swollen weeping eyes so they do tests.

All children sanitary wipes are also in the mix. Now humans are just being humans, top of their game, poor old cat hasn't evolved to compensate. The cat is now stuffing like the bandicoot. Do you care?

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Originally Posted by newhue

I assume you are talking to me.

I accept killer whale play with there kill. But they are whales and seals that have evolved with with each other in there natural environment. Who know's why and I'd say all of us would prefer they didn't. But that's human being humans with bleeding hearts. Feral cats are not in there natural environment. And again non of us wish to see the cat torment it's kill.

The trouble is there is a huge feral cat problem. Desexing is great but people don't do it. The fast ways are illegal for most. The Human Society have influenced people's thinking that the not so fast ways are in humane i.e bludgeon. When they were actually focusing on torture and cruelty, i.e setting cats on fire.

If you get upset about a cat suffering 2 or 3 blows to the head, go to Animal Cruelty web sites. Your cologne, shampoo, body treatment, cleaning products, detergent and yes for your car all get inserted into cats eyes. Scientist know the chemical burn, but to make sure little old activist doesn't get glowing red swollen weeping eyes so they do tests.

All children sanitary wipes are also in the mix. Now humans are just being humans, top of their game, poor old cat hasn't evolved to compensate. The cat is now stuffing like the bandicoot. Do you care?

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I wasn't specifically referring to you Jason, but to the people who think it's ok to torture, run over, drown, set fire to etc. I have spent a lot of my life in rural/outback areas and have shot/killed a lot of feral animals and have aways tried to do clean kills like head or neckshots, even to pests like feral pigs that eat the arse end out of a bogged sheep or cow and then leave it to die slowly. I totally agree the feral cat is a huge problem and needs to be sorted out but it should be done cleanly and humanely not deliberately inflicting unnecessary pain. No animal deserves to be tortured. Perhaps a decent bounty on their heads. As I said, the cat problem is caused by irresponsible humans who do not desex and look after their animals. Herein lies the major problem. Some people should not be allowed to have animals.
Ideally a bullet to the head is the best way to get rid of them but in urban areas you cannot legally do this and I accept that if you cannot get it to a vet to give it a dose of "green dream" a sharp blow to the head is acceptable but I do not accept the other methods mentioned by some on here. I also do not condone animal testing and think it is unacceptable but like most am probably guilty of using some of the said products unknowingly. BTW I am not an activist or greenie or anything of that nature. Just someone who thinks it is unacceptable to torture any animal unnecessarily.

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Originally Posted by Bearman

I wasn't specifically referring to you Jason, but to the people who think it's ok to torture, run over, drown, set fire to etc. I have spent a lot of my life in rural/outback areas and have shot/killed a lot of feral animals and have aways tried to do clean kills like head or neckshots, even to pests like feral pigs that eat the arse end out of a bogged sheep or cow and then leave it to die slowly. I totally agree the feral cat is a huge problem and needs to be sorted out but it should be done cleanly and humanely not deliberately inflicting unnecessary pain. No animal deserves to be tortured. Perhaps a decent bounty on their heads. As I said, the cat problem is caused by irresponsible humans who do not desex and look after their animals. Herein lies the major problem. Some people should not be allowed to have animals.
Ideally a bullet to the head is the best way to get rid of them but in urban areas you cannot legally do this and I accept that if you cannot get it to a vet to give it a dose of "green dream" a sharp blow to the head is acceptable but I do not accept the other methods mentioned by some on here. I also do not condone animal testing and think it is unacceptable but like most am probably guilty of using some of the said products unknowingly. BTW I am not an activist or greenie or anything of that nature. Just someone who thinks it is unacceptable to torture any animal unnecessarily.

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Exactly my position on this issue as well. Thanks.

I don't think any decent person would actively cause unnecessary pain or torment to any animal, or at least, they shouldn't. I certainly wouldn't, however I will do what needs to be done and although a needle would be the most painless option it is not available in the middle of nowhere so we have to move down the line of most painless ways of exterminating these feral cats until we arrive at one we can do in the circumstances we are in at the time. The least amount of suffering for these creatures the better, so long as the end result is that one more has been eliminated from the natural environment and stopped from further destroying our beautiful native wildlife.

Bearman, the "debate" is good so far...but telling someone to "grow a brain" isn't good and virtually destroys any credibility you are trying to create here. Just saying......

dropping them into water is horrible! what a horrible way to kill them!! shooting or the exhaust would be most humane ways.

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Originally Posted by ramblingboy42

Bearman, the "debate" is good so far...but telling someone to "grow a brain" isn't good and virtually destroys any credibility you are trying to create here. Just saying......

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I am a Tasmanian so that bit about growing a brain is a bit lost on me. :p
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Do the second heads grow out empty? :P

I agree, I have a cat, and I don't like the idea of killing, but they are feral, they are murderous, and they should be reduced. So as long as it is done humanely and as quickly as possible. I would be advocating removal to an RSPCA or vet for chip scanning though that is not practical when you are miles from civilisation (and therefore not likely needed out there anyway, if its that far it it probably belongs only to itself)
For gods sake no bowhunting... do it right and get a gun licence if you want to do it at all...