Thread: Lost at sea.

Originally Posted by manic

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How about visiting a detention center here in Australia and meeting those that are directly affected? The staff and the captives I'm sure will be happy to talk to you... oh hang on you probably haven't got the time and besides free time is for fishing...

How about driving your land rovers to a detention center, have a cup of tea with the 'que jumpers', let them know how you feel! Perhaps then your views will hold a little weight.

OR if you cant be bothered with the reality of it all just continue to sit in front of your TV and shut the **** up.

Why you do not go to the over seas refugee camps were people are living in tents and try to come to Australia by the proper way?
Why you no go there and tell them that they have to wait long time there because you give preference to the other group that come by boat?
I guess that it is easy for you to sit in the front of the PC and express your opinion here.

Originally Posted by manic

Terrible loss of life. IMO it looks on the face of it to be a poor show from the Navy - sighted 28 miles from xmas, life jackets onboard and then they managed to lose the boat without saving any one? And now the bodies are adrift? It's a shame they couldn't do better.

I think we are talking about two different boats here - the one that sank with major loss of life was much further out than 28 miles - something like 70miles and was spotted by aircraft and sank before the ship got there.

I understand there is a major operation closer in - maybe the one you are referring to that the Navy is concentrating saving people - hence calling off the search for bodies form the first incident.

I take it from your comments "It's a shame they couldn't do better" that you think they are just sitting there doing nothing happy to let people die - I think that is just a cheap shot that is not helpful at all.

Garry

Originally Posted by Ean Austral

Tell Indonesia that for every person that leaves their shores from the people smugglers they will loose $50,000 in Australian aide.

See how long it takes to make a difference.

Cheers Ean

I think you will find this happens in a round about way. If I recall correctly the total overseas aid budget is being tapped to pay for the increasing cost of processing larger and larger numbers of boat people.

Therefore the net aid directly available to overseas humanitarian trouble spots is less.

You lose control of your borders plus you loss control of how you spend your allocated aid money.

This would be OK if it were true Chucaro.
However a 5 second search with Google finds the following on the SBS site of all things.

At January 31, 2013, 47 per cent of detainees were Sri Lankan nationals, 13 per
cent from Iran and 11 per cent from Afghanistan.

Can you tell me about the tent cities in Sri Lanka and Iran? My assessent is that the overwhelming number of immigrants from these countries are economic rent seekers, and this is the view of the governments of Sri Lanka and Australia seeing more than 1000 have been repatriated.

Iranians I don't know about but I have seen several interviews with Iranians who appear to middle class professionals, maybe Christians who may feel they are persecuted, but of course this has been so for centuries. What has happened recently that suddenly makes it unbearable? Having said that IMHO the Iranians are probably the ones who will fit our society best.

But the point is that Australia does not have to be driven by the agendas of people from a foreign country who use all sorts of emotional blackmail including loadiing their children on leaky boats. They then destroy the paperwork that enables Australia to know who they really are.
The big difference with previous immigration flows is that the refugees did everything in their power generally to preserve their identities, not destroy them as now.
Regards Philip A

Originally Posted by manic

Sure, that much is obvious. You have made a good example. I would not form a STRONG opinion on any AULRO member based on what they post on this site. I certainly wouldn't leave you stranded by the side of the road if I found you in need.

I only feel that some of the comments here against asylum seekers are overly aggressive and heartless. If you can justify leaving someone to die you better have a bloody good reason.

I just read the news to which this post refers too... Terrible loss of life. IMO it looks on the face of it to be a poor show from the Navy - sighted 28 miles from xmas, life jackets onboard and then they managed to lose the boat without saving any one? And now the bodies are adrift? It's a shame they couldn't do better.

There is a big difference between a plane seeing a vessel that may have been 28 mls from Christmas Isl, ( funny the TV I watch said 65mls ) reguardless, if the closest vessel is 100 or more miles away, (which once again the TV I watch said they were), then its a bit hard to blame the navy.
Not really sure if you have been involved in a sea search, But I have on more than 1 occasion, and to try and find a boat in the dark of night is bloody near on impossible, let alone bodies.
The last search I was involved in the crewman fell overboard ( later found out jumped ) and was reported as having gone over the side less than 20 mins after he did. 7 boats searched and he was pulled from the water dead 10 hours later. Those 7 boats were within 15 mile radius of the vessel he was on and commenced searching straight away.

I dont think anybody involved in the search would go out of the way to leave the bodies, but if 15 are confirmed dead, then its only fair and right for the navy/customs, to look for the other 40 that the TV says are unaccounted for and could be alive.

For the record, I have been to a detention centre, I have also and still am employing some of the people to work whilst they are being processed, but my veiw of Asylem seekers who come by boat hasnt changed.

Might go back to watching TV then go fishing after work.

Cheers Ean

Originally Posted by Chucaro

Why you do not go to the over seas refugee camps were people are living in tents and try to come to Australia by the proper way?
Why you no go there and tell them that they have to wait long time there because you give preference to the other group that come by boat?
I guess that it is easy for you to sit in the front of the PC and express your opinion here.

Yes I am in front of my PC. I have not visited an UN camp or experienced the ravages of war. I have not spoken to many refugees. Simply put I have not researched the issue in the way I think would be required to form an opinion as consequential as this ->

I know this will cause a lot of comment but as far as I am concerned the queue jumpers can all drown.
Get in line, fill out the correct papers and wait your turn.

WTF?

BTW that fill in the paper thing and wait your turn could be complete bunch of useless bollocks. Do you know?

Originally Posted by garrycol

I take it from your comments "It's a shame they couldn't do better" that you think they are just sitting there doing nothing happy to let people die - I think that is just a cheap shot that is not helpful at all.

Garry

No not at all Garry, I was being sincere. Difficult on forums to come across in the right way when dealing with sensitive issues.. It's sad that they couldn't save any one.

The other problem is that the other vessels are now sending distress calls for things as simple as running out of fuel / engine problems.

Cheers Ean