Irate police hunt 'missile moron' motorbike rider

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Originally Posted by PeterM

According to the Emergency Management Manual Vic 2012 Vicpol don't even get a look in as a support agency in a RAR (Road Accident Rescue) incident.

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I'm impressed; however it's a shame that you're wrong for a third time. Victoria Police is the primary agency for all motor vehicle collisions involving inujury, death or damage. It might seem strange; but we also are primary for fires, floods etc.

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Originally Posted by PeterM

I was at a rescue job last night, funnily enough the police sat back and set up witches hats while they let the professionals do the patient treatment and rescue jobs. The paperwork says I was there so it wasn't a figment of my imagination.

Get over your own sense of self importance, its one of those traits among some police that **** people to tears.

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Pot, kettle, black?

Who arrived first Peter? It's often us, and I'll give you a little tip - when we do arrive first we don't just stand around with our thumbs up our asses.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you're a vol firefighter ;)

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Originally Posted by PeterM

The paperwork says I was there so it wasn't a figment of my imagination.

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There were plenty of times when I was a Volunteer Fire Fighter that my name ended up on the paperwork as being there, even though I had turned out and missed the truck, so maybe it could be a figment of your imagination???

Pager goes off, report to the station, name recorded then back to bed... Used to happen a lot where I was...

Not saying it went down like that, but who knows?

I don't have much time for anyone that shows your level of contempt for our Police Force...

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No, I'm not missing the point at all.

The police trumpet continuously from the soap box of moral outrage about being sick of cleaning up bodies from collisions. I have continuously acknowledged that several services are involved in these incidents but also, quite clearly, shown that police have no formal tasks within a RAR situation. You are part of a 'dogs bodies' group in these situations.

In the situation above, the police were first on scene. Their bright idea was to drag a 34 week pregnant woman out through a passenger door from the driver's seat.

Your attempts to verbal what I have stated are clumsy, read it and then comment.

Funnily enough, I haven't advocated inappropriate speed in this thread. The quote you cite above as support for not speeding is purely a selfish motivator and does nothing to counter the arguments of those who see no problem with speeding.

The fundamental weakness that that position has is that assumes that the person who speeds cares about the feelings of the police. I would suggest that if they are deliberately flaunting the rules already that they have already demonstrated a disregard for the feelings of members of VicPol.

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Originally Posted by bacicat

There were plenty of times when I was a Volunteer Fire Fighter that my name ended up on the paperwork as being there, even though I had turned out and missed the truck, so maybe it could be a figment of your imagination???

Pager goes off, report to the station, name recorded then back to bed... Used to happen a lot where I was...

Not saying it went down like that, but who knows?

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Indeed that does happen but not in this instance.

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Originally Posted by bacicat

I don't have much time for anyone that shows your level of contempt for our Police Force...

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Your choice but you're confusing contempt for the police force with mocking of those who subscribe to the school of moral outrage.

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Originally Posted by Treads

I'm impressed; however it's a shame that you're wrong for a third time. Victoria Police is the primary agency for all motor vehicle collisions involving inujury, death or damage. It might seem strange; but we also are primary for fires, floods etc.

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Read & educate yourself. Page 7-3 debunks all your assertions there. The only thing you are correct on is regarding collisions with damage only, that's on 7-2.

http://www.oesc.vic.gov.au/resources...mmv_part_7.pdf

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Originally Posted by Treads

Pot, kettle, black?

Who arrived first Peter? It's often us, and I'll give you a little tip - when we do arrive first we don't just stand around with our thumbs up our asses.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you're a vol firefighter ;)

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As I mentioned after you posted this, in the situation above, the police were first on scene. Their bright idea was to drag a 34 week pregnant woman out through a passenger door from the driver's seat.

Don't go bouncing on that limb because it'll break and I might have to patch you up.

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Originally Posted by PeterM

Read & educate yourself. Page 7-3 debunks all your assertions there. The only thing you are correct on is regarding collisions with damage only, that's on 7-2.

http://www.oesc.vic.gov.au/resources...mmv_part_7.pdf

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VicPol still have overall responsibility for the scene, ie they are in charge of the whole shebang. For example: When fire is involved, the CFA/MFB are the 'combat agency' until the fire is out and deemed safe.

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Originally Posted by PeterM

As I mentioned after you posted this, in the situation above, the police were first on scene. Their bright idea was to drag a 34 week pregnant woman out through a passenger door from the driver's seat.

Don't go bouncing on that limb because it'll break and I might have to patch you up.

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Well aren't you an expert on everything?

How about you tell us all what makes you such an fountain of knowledge and at the same time come clean as to which agency you represent? I'd be surprised if it's AV; because we usually get on really well with them. I've found all of their staff to be highly courteous and willing to accept the shortcomings of other front-line services trying their best in difficult situations.

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Originally Posted by Mr Whippy

1080 was in Mansfield when I was younger. He once picked up a driver in Bonnie Doon and took him back to Mansfield to breath test him. The driver was under 05 and was released. He had to find his own way back to Bonnie Doon

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Ah yes, that sounds like 1080 form; I believe he booked his Grandmother once too! Mansfield is where I was born :)

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Originally Posted by PeterM

Cate, could you please invite Damien to do something really useful for riders and never show his face in public again?

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Peter, I find your comment not only totally inappropriate, but puerile, insulting and disrespectful. You are of course, entitled to your opinion, however, have you, as a rider, for however many years that may be, ever showed any support for, or given of your time to constructively contributing to real change for rider safety in this State?
The reason the scooter riders get more done, as do the cyclists, with changes to legislation affecting their safety, is because they are united, and irrespective of personality differences, they rise above them to achieve a common goal for all.
The main reason why motorbike riders continue to be disrespected by many other road users, and authorities, is because they lack unity. How can we ever gain respect, or validity as a major group of vulnerable road users, when we seem unable to rise above petty differences of opinions, and inflated ego's? Unfortunately, you are not alone in your self righteousness, made obvious in your posts with Treads.
Regardless of whether Damien is liked or not, he has literally devoted his life to fighting for riders rights, in his own time, and with his own money. He has made a significant difference on a political/legislative level, and continues to do so. He 'walks the walk', and remains focused on the end goal, which is to make sure that ridiculous restrictions aren't placed on our liberties as riders. It seems his tireless commitment to this cause hasn't gone unnoticed, otherwise why would he have OAM after his name?
You're not the first rider to dislike him, and won't be the last, but in most cases I'm aware of, not one of those riders has ever done a thing to contribute constructively to rider safety, they just like making a lot of negative, destructive noise. Ironically, the same noisy empty vessels will be the first to bitch and moan if tighter, more costly laws are passed. Is it any wonder we fight an up hill battle?
I also respect the work of ALL our emergency service agencies, which does include VicPol, and find your comments distasteful, disrespectful, and out of line. In fact, I am surprised you haven't been pulled up by a Moderator yet.
Cate

NB If there are any other members who ride motorbikes, trail bikes, or scooters, who are seriously interested in making a difference to our lives as riders, please feel free to contact me independentridersgroup@iinet.net.au

Just to let you know cate, as you did ask your font is fine, I could easily read your last post:D

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Originally Posted by CapableCate

Peter, I find your comment not only totally inappropriate, but puerile, insulting and disrespectful. You are of course, entitled to your opinion, however, have you, as a rider, for however many years that may be, ever showed any support for, or given of your time to constructively contributing to real change for rider safety in this State?
The reason the scooter riders get more done, as do the cyclists, with changes to legislation affecting their safety, is because they are united, and irrespective of personality differences, they rise above them to achieve a common goal for all.
The main reason why motorbike riders continue to be disrespected by many other road users, and authorities, is because they lack unity. How can we ever gain respect, or validity as a major group of vulnerable road users, when we seem unable to rise above petty differences of opinions, and inflated ego's? Unfortunately, you are not alone in your self righteousness, made obvious in your posts with Treads.
Regardless of whether Damien is liked or not, he has literally devoted his life to fighting for riders rights, in his own time, and with his own money. He has made a significant difference on a political/legislative level, and continues to do so. He 'walks the walk', and remains focused on the end goal, which is to make sure that ridiculous restrictions aren't placed on our liberties as riders. It seems his tireless commitment to this cause hasn't gone unnoticed, otherwise why would he have OAM after his name?
You're not the first rider to dislike him, and won't be the last, but in most cases I'm aware of, not one of those riders has ever done a thing to contribute constructively to rider safety, they just like making a lot of negative, destructive noise. Ironically, the same noisy empty vessels will be the first to bitch and moan if tighter, more costly laws are passed. Is it any wonder we fight an up hill battle?
I also respect the work of ALL our emergency service agencies, which does include VicPol, and find your comments distasteful, disrespectful, and out of line. In fact, I am surprised you haven't been pulled up by a Moderator yet.
Cate

NB If there are any other members who ride motorbikes, trail bikes, or scooters, who are seriously interested in making a difference to our lives as riders, please feel free to contact me independentridersgroup@iinet.net.au

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This is off topic now so I'll keep it brief.

Yes, I have been involved in making positive changes with respect to riding in Vic.

Damien has done good work in the past but that has been marred by controversy, actual brawling in MRA meetings etc. He is a divisive influence and does not work within the bigger game plan. The IRG approach and tactics are for another era, look at how NSW has achieved recent victories with respect to CTP legislation. Making something of non-issues such as the idiotic anti-fluro protest ride, attended by a very small number of people, some of who were actually wearing fluro, is not a constructive contribution.

He ought to either get behind those leading the push or retire from the game.