Thread: Irate police hunt 'missile moron' motorbike rider

Originally Posted by PeterM

What nobody has mentioned here is that the rider was initially detected at about 140, which incidentally is the speed at which the road is designed to carry traffic.

The police have given chase and the rider has then upped the ante. Why? Well at 30 over I'm tipping that he would have had the 'hoon' legislation tossed his way and lost his bike for a period of time. What's the end result? People run as they have less to lose, what are they going to do, take the bike off him again?

There are a couple of bleeding hearts here about cleaning up after collisions etc. The police do not clean up afterwards although they do inform the NOK. The ambos/fireies/SES etc. are the ones doing the cutting and treatment as a matter of course. It comes with the job and if its such an issue for you, then you're in the wrong job.

I try not to get into a "tit for tat" but sometimes a comment just requires a go....
The hoon legislation has been created because of idiots in the first place....
There is no defence for that sort of speed.....ever.....unless its on a race track of course.

Less to lose....seriously?......you'd rather risk your life, or someone else's over a bike, or a car....seriously?

And you are obviously not a cop.......if you were, you wouldn't make that sort of comment. Yes there are some coppers who do the wrong thing, and yes they annoy the majority of coppers who try not to be hypocrites and knock people off for things they do themselves....and there are coppers who stand back at crashes, but many are in the thick of it and helping out as well....
The crashes involving those sort of speeds don't usually require ambo help....and there usually is not a complete one piece body to deal with....or it's so smashed up its not recognizable......coppers are usually first on the scene, still have to check for signs of life, still have to try to identify by finding identification and so on and so forth.
If you think then dealing with the family is no big deal, let me explain the process.
You knock on the door and a mum, dad, husband, wife,son, daughter...whoever answers with a blank look....sometimes they are already crying because they know it's bad news.
Then you ask to go inside after ascertaining your at the right place. Soon as you ask if the deceased lived there, they know....the screaming starts, the crying, the falling to the ground, and thankfully sometimes, but rarely, just a silent resignation....thats shock.
We then usually have to make some phone calls to other relatives to help because the family member we have just told isn't capable.
Then you have to take that person to the mortuary to identify the body.
I think I've said enough for now. You get the picture, so if you think that's easy, well, I'd hate to think whats hard.......

I never, never found that enjoyable, and the last time I did it, was every bit as hard as the first time many years ago, but someone has to do it....sadly and unfortunately.....but as long as there is idiots out there who get their capabilities mixed up with their ambitions, or are just ignorant, arrogant or just plain assholes....
I wasn't in the wrong job mate, so call me a bleeding heart all you like....

Cheers all...apologies to those who might find my post a bit strong.

Kev (bleeding heart)

Thanks Kev. Was going to comment on that last one myself - but couldn't have put it anywhere near as well as you have.

Originally Posted by jon3950

undertaking high risk activities kills.

Cheers,
Jon

With any high risk activity,eventually you get caught out.......

Originally Posted by PeterM

What nobody has mentioned here is that the rider was initially detected at about 140, which incidentally is the speed at which the road is designed to carry traffic.

The police have given chase and the rider has then upped the ante. Why? Well at 30 over I'm tipping that he would have had the 'hoon' legislation tossed his way and lost his bike for a period of time. What's the end result? People run as they have less to lose, what are they going to do, take the bike off him again?

There are a couple of bleeding hearts here about cleaning up after collisions etc. The police do not clean up afterwards although they do inform the NOK. The ambos/fireies/SES etc. are the ones doing the cutting and treatment as a matter of course. It comes with the job and if its such an issue for you, then you're in the wrong job.

Bleeding hearts??? Go put some hours in, junior.

TD50WA....."Tit For Tat"?...I try not to do that also.....I wasn't going to say anything, but now that you've mentioned it, I found YOUR comment (post 42) rather uncalled for, disrespectful actually,....& I quote...."Even He (Brocky) couldn't argue with a tree". That comment was totally irrelevant & absolutely uncalled for. As you said, it was a closed road, a sanctioned event. It was indeed unfortunate, but it was simply what we call a "motor racing accident",..... and Brocky passed away doing what he loved best.
Absolutely NOTHING to do with 273KS...which IS ridiculous.
And as far as your last post is concerned, there was no need to explain all that to make your point,....every SENSIBLE person knows the great job you do.
We all have differing view on things, don't we?
Rant?..I don't know, but I'm quite happy to be flamed.....as I say, we all have differing views.
Cheers, Pickles.

Originally Posted by PeterM

The police do not clean up afterwards although they do inform the NOK. The ambos/fireies/SES etc. are the ones doing the cutting and treatment as a matter of course. It comes with the job and if its such an issue for you, then you're in the wrong job.

Peter,

I have stood out of this until now but I reckon it may be time for a wake up call.

A number of points:-
a) I am a member of the Police (28 years)
b) I am an active member with CFS (including road rescue) (12 years)
c) I am a member of the SES (not so active though)(also 12 years)
d) until 10 years ago I was an active (responding) member with the ambulance service.(for 4 years)

In the parts of the world I have served it goes thus.
All services respond, usually Police being already on duty or having everything at home so they can respond, respond fastest.

obvious things, check re safety of all and triage anyone involved.

If the person needs extraction then its SES or CFS who cut, depending on the area. Ambos obviously attend the patient if required.

BUT, if the person is deceased, then other than declaring life extinct (if they are a paramedic) then ambos stay out of it, it isnt their job to collect bodies or body parts.

Firies or SES (sometimes both) will cut the body free but that also is where they stop.

The police on scene are the ones who will collect the body and all body parts and bag them accordingly.

This is as suggested not a pleasant task, and as you have said, we have chosen our career so it is part of it. But it is impossible to not feel something whilst doing and after having to do this task. Each one is something you will always remember no matter how hard you try.

So maybe getting your facts straight before making a comment may be a little more helpful. Or maybe, just maybe, if you dont know, ask first?

The work done by firies/ses and ambos is magnificent (and I say that as a copper!) they stretch themselves so much and so often it is amazing they do not break.

If you chose to travel at a stupid speed and spread yourself everywhere then so be it, but others will have to clean up the mess, write the reports, tell your relatives and attempt to console those left.

Obviously the danger of this driving to others is massive but I believe the driving side of this arguement will sort itself out, most people will have made their minds up by now anyway.

I do add though that the roads may be capable of 130 BUT that the road laws are made to deal with the lowest common denominator so as to make it safe for all.

Originally Posted by Pickles2

TD50WA....."Tit For Tat"?...I try not to do that also.....I wasn't going to say anything, but now that you've mentioned it, I found YOUR comment (post 42) rather uncalled for, disrespectful actually,....& I quote...."Even He (Brocky) couldn't argue with a tree". That comment was totally irrelevant & absolutely uncalled for. As you said, it was a closed road, a sanctioned event. It was indeed unfortunate, but it was simply what we call a "motor racing accident",..... and Brocky passed away doing what he loved best.
Absolutely NOTHING to do with 273KS...which IS ridiculous.
And as far as your last post is concerned, there was no need to explain all that to make your point,....every SENSIBLE person knows the great job you do.
We all have differing view on things, don't we?
Rant?..I don't know, but I'm quite happy to be flamed.....as I say, we all have differing views.
Cheers, Pickles.

Hi pickles

Far from flaming you mate, you will not meet a bigger fan of Brocky than myself, and the point was not any reflection on his ability or misfortune, but simply to demonstrate the difference between race tracks and public roads....the roads that we all drive on are not meant for those sort of speeds, and anyone who watches or participated in racing events on public roads in a sanctioned event such as rally or targa events will not deny this......
His death was yes, a racing incident, no one to blame.....tragic even so....but the fact remains it was and is a public road with all the dangers associated with driving in excess of the designed perameters of that particular location. I venture to say that I don't reasonably expect that Brocky would drive like that on a public road unless it was in some sort of event.....?
Even race drivers will tell you that at the limit of your skill, luck takes over, and the majority of the idiots on the road have absolutely no where near as much skill as Brocky.....they may think they have, but they haven't.
When driving, you can control your car, the conditions you drive in, the type of road....but you cannot control the actions of the other road users....
Oh, and I had the fortune to meet and talk to Brocky on several occasions as I have family in the racing game as well.....great man, great attitude and I miss watching him race.
I talk with drivers who race and they mostly agree on the same thing.....they are in more danger driving on public roads going to the shop than when they are racing......and being a copper for many many years I have driven at some rediculous speeds all in the name of urgency, and every time I thank whoever for getting me through it safely and can only thank lady luck for being on my side at those times.....I'm sure any emergency vehicle driver can relate to this.....and we do come unstuck.

As for the other comments...as I said, sorry if they offend anyone, but obviously not all people are as perceptive and need it explained.....otherwise they wouldn't make some of the comments they do....

Again, my apologies to you if you found any of my comments out of order, they were not meant to offend.

Cheers
Kev

Lets temper back a bit...

Yes he was silly
Yes that speed exceeds sensible
Public roads aren't the place
It goes really bad if something goes wrong
Innocent people can be hurt
Emergency responders don't like having to scrape people up with an Egg slice
And that several of us at some stage have done something stupid

So lets move on to discussing something constructive...

Like how could we make roads better/safer
Appropriate speed limits and their merits or downfalls.