Essendon Drug Saga

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

I was listening to an athlete (an Australian Olympic swimmer, can't remember her name) give a talk. She was against drugs in sport but gave an interesting example.
Lets say a swimmer was suffering a headache and was finding it difficult to concentrate. In order to alleviate the headache and improve concentration, the swimmer quickly popped a Panadol.
This innocuous drug then becomes a "performance enhancing" drug. Should it be banned? Or should we call it "legal cheating"?

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I rather think it would be more health and performance restoring rather than enhancing.
I think there is a difference and should be viewed as such, much the same as an athlete having a jab for pain relief. In such a case, after perhaps years of effort why should an athlete withdraw or be penalised for a temporary condition that is rife in every day life.

As far as football goes ( all codes ) I think they are all useless.
I am reminded of that league player a while back, one of the so called games best ( hic ), when he retired following all the accolades and glory, he addmitted that thoughout his career he had been taking drugs.
Hooray, they erected a statue of him to stand beside real men.
I think that was the same captain involved in the gang bang episode on tour.
I dont watch any football.

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Originally Posted by olbod

As far as football goes ( all codes ) I think they are all useless.
I am reminded of that league player a while back, one of the so called games best ( hic ), when he retired following all the accolades and glory, he addmitted that thoughout his career he had been taking drugs.
Hooray, they erected a statue of him to stand beside real men.
I think that was the same captain involved in the gang bang episode on tour.
I dont watch any football.

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With ya there bro.

At this elite level they are all going to do "whatever it takes". Why not say "go for it". Remove all the bans and say "you live with the consequences, mate". No banned substances. Just super-human performances.
After all, that's what the crowds really want.

You know, I can't help thinking that if all sport was amateur, ie. not paid, and people did it for the love of it, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Wait a minute, didn't that happen once? Just a word for the few that seem to be anti sport here, ever been involved with a junior sports club? Entirely amateur, entirely voluntary, and thousands of children benefit. Instead of knocking , try doing something positive, but somehow I think that is not in the makeup of some people, Bob

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Originally Posted by bob10

You know, I can't help thinking that if all sport was amateur, ie. not paid, and people did it for the love of it, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Wait a minute, didn't that happen once? Just a word for the few that seem to be anti sport here, ever been involved with a junior sports club? Entirely amateur, entirely voluntary, and thousands of children benefit. Instead of knocking , try doing something positive, but somehow I think that is not in the makeup of some people, Bob

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Local footy, love it.
I've been to watch my nephew play quite a few times. Been to watch Alien's daughter play footy a couple of times as well. I really enjoyed watching these games. They play for the love of the game and not for obscene quantities of money. I haven't heard of any "performance enhancing drug scandals" at local footy either.
Not really sure what you're getting at but I suspect you're suggesting the amateur game is well worth supporting. If that is the case, I agree with you.
But!
This thread is about the "professional" game, which should be disbanded.

Fully support kids in sport, played from age 6 until mid twenties but here in NSW the league teams recruit kids at 12 for their training squads, is AFL any different? What message is this sending.

I would bet vital parts of my anatomy that there are more drugs in local footy (as in more players every team) than the professional ranks. Mostly speed and steroids but add in cocaine and crystal meth too. They're that competitive that I've heard of local players getting drugged up just to win the "last man standing" at seasons' end!!!

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Originally Posted by Rohan

I would bet vital parts of my anatomy that there are more drugs in local footy (as in more players every team) than the professional ranks. Mostly speed and steroids but add in cocaine and crystal meth too. They're that competitive that I've heard of local players getting drugged up just to win the "last man standing" at seasons' end!!!

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Where you are, perhaps, but if you were actually involved in junior sport, at least here in Qld., you would know that one of the reasons to be involved is to keep kids off that rubbish, and you would also know no player could be doing what you suggest without management being aware of it. Therefore, where you are , management is corrupt. I also add, that if you, or any one else came here to promote that corrupt practise there would be a large number of people lining up to cut off your vital parts, whatever you perceive them to be, Bob

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Originally Posted by bob10

Where you are, perhaps, but if you were actually involved in junior sport, at least here in Qld., you would know that one of the reasons to be involved is to keep kids off that rubbish, and you would also know no player could be doing what you suggest without management being aware of it. Therefore, where you are , management is corrupt. I also add, that if you, or any one else came here to promote that corrupt practise there would be a large number of people lining up to cut off your vital parts, whatever you perceive them to be, Bob

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Not talking about junior football, blimey, lets all hope they're clean! More, the kind of football that gen y play, the 21-30 y.o. type of players, you know, the cashed up tradesman type, you'd recognise them from their unnatural aggression, oversize biceps, ability to stay "up" until the early hours and pants halfway down their arse!
These types have no qualms about a night out on the gear or a little pick-me-up before a game. If you need any evidence, just have a wander around your local city/town centre at about 2am (if you're brave enough, I'm not) on a Friday and see how many back-up for a game of whatever on Saturday.
Please don't take my observations personally, I'm not here to pick fights about which sports are clean and which aren't. I am aware a lot of players play in the right spirit, unfortunately the "others" also play the same game.

Up here the other day a visiting female reporter was molested and roughed up by a group of local footballers while she was reporting on the the visit of some sad sook or other that was visiting the area.
Turns out these typicals were on a loutish, damaging, drunken pub crawl.
After a weekend of footy, these fools go on what is called a sanctioned Mad Monday where they get ****ed in their blokey bloke ( real men ) fashion and become disgustings. This is during the day amongst the shoppers going about their business.
The next day a spokesman for the clubs appologised for the behavior and said that there will be no more mad mondays. He looked dristressed and I rather think he was an ex player.
How sad perhaps they should just wait till end of season and go on gang bangs and rages in another city or country, perhaps also being able to endanger passengers on the aircraft and wrecking a few hotel rooms.
It seems to go in cycles and I think the clubs take it in turn to make headlines after their name is drawn from a hat.
That being said tho, I follow Rugby. Not on a weekly basis but world cups and the Bledisloe etc, but I must admit that I dont watch the full matches and keep crossing back for an update during commercials.
I also used to watch the league tests between us and the Brits, I thought it was great when Mason clobbered that pomme bloke. Havent watched a agame since tho. I used to play rugby leage in my young days when I could and loved it.
I think our team can rebuild its strenth under the new Coach. Same with Cricket.

Cheers.

PS: I saw on the news the other day that the Lions are moving to a new headquaters. Looked impressive and they interviewed all and sundry including a young player.
He said that it was terrific and on the way they saw the local tavern ( which was of great importance ) and it all looks good. Not hard to guess what his school grades would have been.
Nuff said.

The report released today by the AFL is damming, particularly for hird wonder what happens next:(