The rich get richer.... Poor get...

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

Tombie, there a lot of people with skills out there that would like to work.
I remember (in my working days) having an interview for a job was easy, just talk with the supervisor or foreman about the job, some times show some papers to back up the qualifications (union bull regulations) and bingo they give you the job and you have the chance to prove yourself.
Now I see the amount of bull that people have to gone trough to even having an interview that it is beyond my comprehension!!
Give the people a fair go regardless age or from were they got their qualifications. In many jobs just 4 week it is enough to know if the person is good or not.
Before the person that was in charge of giving the job was a individual with experience in the job (technical and hands on) now is a graduate in HR for a University :(

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Sorry mate, don't agree.

A company struggling to keep its head above water in a competitive market, paying a $12000 recruitment fee to put a professional on for just 4 weeks. In some industries it may work, but in the greater scheme of things it is not a good long lasting business model.

Also choosing personality, culture and team fit is a difficult job, being hands on and technical is important, however what if the personalities clash, they wont learn or pick anything up anyway. And what technically minded hands on person can go out to 1000+ applicants and choose the right personality? And where do they find the time to, advertise, interview, screen, handle all the complaining applicants who are clearly always too experienced for the role, and then follow up with references, background checks, security checks, paperwork etc.
Hence the HR/Recruitment need.

These days you don't get 5 job applicants, you get 600 or 1000 or more. And the reason they have applied, is they ALL think they are suitable, otherwise why did they apply?
And try getting 1000 applicants and not responding to them in some way, social media then becomes their tool for abusing the system that didn't give them the job they were 'perfectly suitable' for.

Also the typical gen Y at 4 weeks is the best new employee you have ever seen, great ideas, excellent motivation and a really good contributor to a positive team working environment. 6 months is the tester, and at 24 months they will leave regardless.

Just to add, I am classified as Gen Y, not by the above, but by my age.

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Originally Posted by Tombie

Me too... He has achieved well.

I looked at doing the same but can't make that final jump.

There are a couple of mechanics on this board that I envy their drive, work ethic and enthusiasm for what they do...

They are the true measure of commitment and work ethic.

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Couldn't agree more, I have such admiration for people that could make that step and just do it!

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Originally Posted by rb30gtr

Sorry mate, don't agree.

A company struggling to keep its head above water in a competitive market, paying a $12000 recruitment fee to put a professional on for just 4 weeks. In some industries it may work, but in the greater scheme of things it is not a good long lasting business model.

Also choosing personality, culture and team fit is a difficult job, being hands on and technical is important, however what if the personalities clash, they wont learn or pick anything up anyway. And what technically minded hands on person can go out to 1000+ applicants and choose the right personality? And where do they find the time to, advertise, interview, screen, handle all the complaining applicants who are clearly always too experienced for the role, and then follow up with references, background checks, security checks, paperwork etc.
Hence the HR/Recruitment need.

These days you don't get 5 job applicants, you get 600 or 1000 or more. And the reason they have applied, is they ALL think they are suitable, otherwise why did they apply?
And try getting 1000 applicants and not responding to them in some way, social media then becomes their tool for abusing the system that didn't give them the job they were 'perfectly suitable' for.

Also the typical gen Y at 4 weeks is the best new employee you have ever seen, great ideas, excellent motivation and a really good contributor to a positive team working environment. 6 months is the tester, and at 24 months they will leave regardless.

Just to add, I am classified as Gen Y, not by the above, but by my age.

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Mate, we have to agree to disagree :). I am 67 and worked in the maintenance engineering side for 50 years including as service manager supervising more than 20 fitters plus trade assistants. I never in my life whent trough all the bull that is going on now and never have problems with the selected people after 4 weeks period.
I cannot see why in the trade things have to change in a so radical manner. Perhaps in other professions it is different but not in the building or engineering industry at tradesman level.

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

Mate, we have to agree to disagree :). I am 67 and worked in the maintenance engineering side for 50 years including as service manager supervising more than 20 fitters plus trade assistants. I never in my life whent trough all the bull that is going on now and never have problems with the selected people after 4 weeks period.
I cannot see why in the trade things have to change in a so radical manner. Perhaps in other professions it is different but not in the building or engineering industry at tradesman level.

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Actually I do agree with you, the trades/building sector is very different to IT and Finance.
An older (apologies for the term) 'bloke' with great hands, positive view, reputation in the field and a can do attitude is always the best for the role.

Try interviewing Uni students that graduate in Finance with no practical experience, none what so ever, not even a job in Maccas or a Retail store! That sit demanding 100K positions, laughable! But they paid 50-100 grand to go to Uni so they could be spoon fed that information. "You do your masters in finance and you will walk straight into a 100k+ role."

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Originally Posted by rb30gtr

Actually I do agree with you, the trades/building sector is very different to IT and Finance.
An older (apologies for the term) 'bloke' with great hands, positive view, reputation in the field and a can do attitude is always the best for the role.

Try interviewing Uni students that graduate in Finance with no practical experience, none what so ever, not even a job in Maccas or a Retail store! That sit demanding 100K positions, laughable! But they paid 50-100 grand to go to Uni so they could be spoon fed that information. "You do your masters in finance and you will walk straight into a 100k+ role."

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On that cases we agree 100% just because are graduated form the Uni it does not mean that have the experience to be productive at work.
I have a son that is on IT without Uni degree but with MS certificates in Share Point and servers plus experience in programing in C.
At 44 years of age he now have to compete with just graduated students to find a job in Melbourne without much success :(

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

On that cases we agree 100% just because are graduated form the Uni it does not mean that have the experience to be productive at work.
I have a son that is on IT without Uni degree but with MS certificates in Share Point and servers plus experience in programing in C.
At 44 years of age he now have to compete with just graduated students to find a job in Melbourne without much success :(

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

On that cases we agree 100% just because are graduated form the Uni it does not mean that have the experience to be productive at work........:(

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I was told a great story by the store manager of a supermarket I was doing some summer work in. He told me about a group of graduate trainee managers that were being trained in the local stores, getting experience. One of them was handed a broom, and instructed to sweep up and down the aisles. He apparently pulled a very indignant face, stuck out his bottom lip, and said "but, but I'm a graduate trainee!".
The wily old manager who was talking to me replied "oh, no. That means I have to teach you how to sweep too?"

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Originally Posted by CraigE

?.. but look at some unskilled work eg our Haul Pack drivers that earn over $120k pa .

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Those people should beware... Rio Tinto now have 20 unmanned trucks out there, with many more on order. All 20 trucks are controlled from an air conditioned office in Perth.

It's all in the interests on health and safety say Rio...

Me personally? I'm doing fine, but life isn't simple any more. I sometimes think I should sell up everything and move into a cheap rental.

Happiness isn't all about money. The best years I had was when the kids were young, we lived in the country earning 2/10's of **** all, in a run down house.

Now have 2 properties, both of us working full time and a decent disposable income, but I'm not as happy as I used to be...

What a load of rot. Why, I was born in a soap crate, since Mum couldn’t leave work at the time, (she carved those little babies in the Velvet soap bars), and started my own business at three months old when I found a 20-cent piece while I was crawling on the factory floor after changing my own nappy. From there, I worked my way through school by teaching all the classes I was in and giving myself good marks for completing all the homework I’d given myself. Then, through sheer hard work and with no help from luck or other people, I was able to scrape together enough money by not eating for three years to start another business that required me to work hard every day of the week for several decades.

So there you go, living proof that as long as everything goes your way and you don’t have any difficulties involving health, families, accidents, nasty people, economic problems or otherwise you’ll make it in the end.

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My story is similar but compared to me you are rich !

You might have had to work every dayof teh week but I had to invent a whole other day just toget enough work done ! An eight day working week !




Seriously though... wealth is purely relative. (and I wish I had some horribly wealthy sick elderly relatives!) :lol2: