Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 13

Thread: Mud Driving

  1. #1
    bigbugga's Avatar
    bigbugga is offline Builder of Legends! Gold Subscriber
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    Pilbara WA
    Posts
    3,434
    Total Downloaded
    0

    Mud Driving

    Mud Driving
    Driving through mud is a cross between ice skating and walking through quicksand. Some types of mud have a greasy top layer with a hard baked surface underneath, while other types can be a bottomless quagmire of gooey mush.

    Different types of mud require different driving techniques and equipment. Greasy mud with a hard bottom layer is best suited to narrow tires to allow them to cut through the top layer to bite the hard surface below. Wide tires in this situation tend to float on the greasy top layer without reaching the hard surface underneath.

    Thick gooey mud tends to favour wide tires as they give some flotation, similar to wide tires favoring sand driving. Lowering your tire pressures can help just like when sand driving, though its best not to lower tire pressures below 20-25psi for mud.

    Regardless of what type of mud and what width tires are fitted, the tread pattern needs to have large lugs to allow the tire to 'clean' itself. If they don't, the lugs fill with mud and the tire becomes a 'slick' with little chance of getting traction. Road orientated tread patterns tend to have closely spaced lugs to put more rubber on the road and to reduce tire noise at highway speeds. When it comes to mud, road tread tires are at a significant disadvantage, whereas in sand they help avoid 'digging in'. Dedicated mud tires have large open spaced lugs to keep the tire clean. However, they handle worse on bitumen as there is less rubber in contact with the ground and in sand they tend to dig in. Also they can have an annoying drone at highway speeds.

    Mud Driving Techniques
    Unlike some other types of terrain, mud-driving techniques vary on the type of mud. Reducing tire pressures can help in 'bottomless' mud whereas it can make things worse when a hard surface is below the mud. Mud usually tends to hide obstacles such as tree roots and sticks just waiting to slash your sidewalls, so its best to avoid reducing tire pressures if you can avoid it..

    Driving on the peaks between tire tracks can provide firmer ground, as water tends to collect in the wheel tracks. Though sometimes the existing wheel tracks have cut through to the firmer surface underneath and provide the best traction.

    Moving the steering wheel left to right about 90° from the centre can help the front wheels bite into the mud in search of traction. Do not turn the wheel too for as you can end up making things worse.

    As you have probably gathered by now, mud driving is unpredictable and you need to have a knowledge of different driving techniques to know which one to apply in each situation. What doesn't change is the need to have good mud tires with big self-cleaning lugs and good recovery equipment.

    tire Chains
    A way to overcome the cost and audible discomfort of mud tires is to use tire chains on your existing tires. They will dramatically improve your traction, but they do damage the track surface. It is best if they are only used when you HAVE to traverse a muddy track, as they can make it almost impassable when it dries out. If possible, it is best to let a muddy track partially dry out so you con get through in 4WD without using chains, as chains will deteriorate the track for future users.

    There are two main types of tire chains, the bar (ladder) pattern or the diamond pattern. The bar pattern is better for mud as it really bites into the surface, whereas the diamond pattern is normally used for snow driving. It provides a smoother ride as the chain is in constant contact with the surface and has side-slip resistance, whereas the bar type has more of a digging action. Both types of chains can be used in either situation so if you do purchase them, choose the sort for your main type of driving.

    Maintenance
    Mud, especially clay and thick mud, tends to stick wherever it touches, It can build up under the wheel arches to the point it acts as a brake on the tires. This type of build-up is obvious and has to be cleared immediately, but other types of build-up that are not so obvious but still need immediate removal is on the rims. Even a small amount can throw your wheel balance out dramatically and can lead to uneven tire wear and a vibrating steering wheel.

    Once all visible mud has been removed, its necessary to check items like diff and gearbox breathers to ensure they are clear, otherwise it con lead to seal damage in the long term. Also check all drain holes on the chassis etc to ensure they are not blocked. Its surprising how mud can even find it’s way to block drain holes on the bottom of doors!
    There are two types of people in this world, good and bad. The good sleep better, but the bad seem to enjoy the waking hours

  2. #2
    VladTepes's Avatar
    VladTepes is offline Major Part of the Heart and Soul of AULRO Subscriber
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Bracken Ridge, Qld
    Posts
    16,055
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Again like the sand thread a good job BB.

    Perhaps a seperate "driving techniqies" section for these, so they are easier to find ?
    It's not broken. It's "Carbon Neutral".


    gone


    1993 Defender 110 ute "Doris"
    1994 Range Rover Vogue LSE "The Luxo-Barge"
    1994 Defender 130 HCPU "Rolly"
    1996 Discovery 1

    current

    1995 Defender 130 HCPU and Suzuki GSX1400


  3. #3
    bigbugga's Avatar
    bigbugga is offline Builder of Legends! Gold Subscriber
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    Pilbara WA
    Posts
    3,434
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Originally posted by VladTepes
    Again like the sand thread a good job BB.

    Perhaps a seperate "driving techniqies" section for these, so they are easier to find ?
    When I posted these back in AUGUST 03 we had very few sections in this forum and I was not a moderator at the time either.

    But will look into it after I get back.
    I had forgotten about most of these. :?
    There are two types of people in this world, good and bad. The good sleep better, but the bad seem to enjoy the waking hours

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Location
    Launceston, Tasmania
    Posts
    12,347
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Regardles of vlads blatent bordem and resulting thread resurections, he has a point about those writeups you did, very good they were. Perhaps some should migrate to newsletter articles??
    1994 Discovery TDi
    2004 Discovery 2 TD5
    2010 Discovery 4 TDV6
    1961, Series 2 Ambulance. 108-098 - Eden

    Registry of Ex Military Land Rovers Mem. 129
    Defence Transport Heritage Tasmania Member

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    Winchelsea
    Posts
    19
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Being new to AULRO I haven't found the other articles yet, I will find them eventually, but I enjoyed this article on an area of 4WD'ing I am passionate about. It's good to read up on different techniques, especially when your stuck at work and can't get out to play in the mud... :wink:

    I look forward to more.

  6. #6
    VladTepes's Avatar
    VladTepes is offline Major Part of the Heart and Soul of AULRO Subscriber
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Bracken Ridge, Qld
    Posts
    16,055
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Yes - now if someone has a technique to avoid being stuck at work, and yet retain an income.... I'm sure we'd all like to know. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
    It's not broken. It's "Carbon Neutral".


    gone


    1993 Defender 110 ute "Doris"
    1994 Range Rover Vogue LSE "The Luxo-Barge"
    1994 Defender 130 HCPU "Rolly"
    1996 Discovery 1

    current

    1995 Defender 130 HCPU and Suzuki GSX1400


  7. #7
    Join Date
    Apr 2002
    Location
    Godwin Beach 4511
    Posts
    20,692
    Total Downloaded
    32.38 MB
    it's called the lotto win princple ... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]
    2007 Discovery 3 SE7 TDV6 2.7
    2012 SZ Territory TX 2.7 TDCi

    "Make the lie big, make it simple, keep saying it, and eventually they will believe it." -- a warning from Adolf Hitler
    "If you don't have a sense of humour, you probably don't have any sense at all!" -- a wise observation by someone else
    'If everyone colludes in believing that war is the norm, nobody will recognize the imperative of peace." -- Anne Deveson
    “What you leave behind is not what is engraved in stone monuments, but what is woven into the lives of others.” - Pericles
    "We can ignore reality, but we cannot ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” – Ayn Rand
    "The happiness of your life depends upon the quality of your thoughts." Marcus Aurelius

  8. #8
    VladTepes's Avatar
    VladTepes is offline Major Part of the Heart and Soul of AULRO Subscriber
    Join Date
    Feb 2004
    Location
    Bracken Ridge, Qld
    Posts
    16,055
    Total Downloaded
    0
    Yep.

    And principally, I can't seem to win it :!:
    It's not broken. It's "Carbon Neutral".


    gone


    1993 Defender 110 ute "Doris"
    1994 Range Rover Vogue LSE "The Luxo-Barge"
    1994 Defender 130 HCPU "Rolly"
    1996 Discovery 1

    current

    1995 Defender 130 HCPU and Suzuki GSX1400


  9. #9
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    Mullion Creek, NSW. 2800
    Posts
    870
    Total Downloaded
    0
    At the moment I'd settle for copious amounts of mud to play in, I know where there is stacks but its not legal (Water Board track, back of Bangor [Sydney Sth Side]). Every where else is very dry here.

    I like the use of good fitting chains when in trouble. After a few vehicles have driven behind me there was noticeable damage to the track (it was on private land). Mainly because I didn't wheel spin once while they were on.

    If you must use them (chains), use only on front wheels, you need to control the skid/slide with stear as you accelerate into the skid/slide to recover. On the rear and especially down hill will drive further of the track (tried & tested).

    On the day actually surpassed maxi drive vehicles on uphill penetration on the track. :wink:

    On another occassion only vehicle not to have to winch or be winched was my chained vehicle [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]. Track was a mess after we got through but could not put it down to chains, again no wheel spin just traction.

    Good article by the way [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Jan 1970
    Location
    Brisbane
    Posts
    4,338
    Total Downloaded
    0
    I miss mud , I havnt seen any for ages
    Series 11A ex Air Force
    1995 ES Discovery TDI


    RIP 2006 Discovery 3
    RIP 2004 V8 Discovery
    RIP 95 Discovery TDI

    RIP 1999 Freelander
    RIP 1978 EX Army FFR

Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Bookmarks

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Search AULRO.com ONLY!
Search All the Web!