Civil Liberties

AHH, Master Muppet, If there is but 1 item of learning you remember from your history lessons let it be this "Those that neglect history are doomed to repeat it!!"
Sadly men are very prone to think their thoughts are all new and this is the new way, but in history there is nothing new, it has all been done before, maybe in a different language and country, hidden in other meanings but always the same in the end. always the old "Power corrupts, Total power corrupts totally!!"
Who knows what evil lurks in the heart of men? to quote The Shadow!
Cheers Scott

Well I thought the saying was that the only thing history teaches us is that history teaches us nothing? For example, how many more countries has the US got to try and liberate and convert before they realize it's a bad idea?

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Originally Posted by mikehzz

That's the type of slogan that Americans spout to justify their God given right to carry shootin' irons.

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That's the slogan that built Australia. Peter Lawler, Aussie ledgend, the southern cross, ureka stockade and all that.

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Originally Posted by Disco Muppet

Using this as an example, not wanting to start that particular debate again.
Raises the point though, ethics and morals is entirely subjective.
To some people, same sex couples raising children is a huge issue. To others, it's not an issue at all
So yes, Schools should teach useful things. The only useful subjects I did were PDHPE and maths, not really getting that much use out of Studies of Religion or four units of history.
But ethics and morals should, IMHO, be something for the parents to deal with, as well as the child themselves when they become an adult.
Consider, it used to be that we got all our ethics and morals from religion.
Now, we have lots of people (rightly so IMHO) saying that in state funded schools, pushing a particular religious view point, and in turn the associated values, on children is wrong.
School should be about providing education and skills for becoming a productive, non dole bludging, participating member of society.
How to be a decent human being is entirely subjective, and applying a blanket type approach just doesn't work.

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DM, I don't know much. But boys need dads. Good ones. Ones that pay attention, and support them. Encourage them to be brave and try, but also lay down firm boundaries. Boys need dads that wrestle with them, and show them strength does not mean aggression. Boys need calm inspirational dads who are good role models. Lesbians as an example can't do this. I'd say most gay men can't do this either. Girls also need dads. Ones that respect and listen to them. Ones that put them on pedestals, wrap them up tight and make them feel safe. Dads that can fix anything. Other girls can comfort them, and be their friends, but girls need dads to pay attention, otherwise they look for attention in all the wrong places as they get older.

yes ethics and values should be a family responsibility, just society has become so liberal and lazy, preferring a quick fix with minimal effort. Anything goes. I'm sure there are very good gay, lesbian, and single parents out there doing an awesome job. But there are probably more that are not doing so well.

Again I don't know much, but I think with kids you get back what you put in. Then they become adults and the **** really starts to hit the fan.

Australians seem to love stupid laws, why should this set be any different.

Not too many laws I know of that will stop the worst of worlds A-holes from doing something. But the rest of us get caught up in the flak that goes with it.

As for our spy masters keeping files on us, mine must run to several volumes by now according to my wife.

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Originally Posted by Chucaro

Interesting debate but what it have to do with the risk to loose our freedom and that the police act with the existing laws :confused:

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mate I'm sorry for taking your thread off course. I believe however what I have been banging on about with kids going off track, is related directly to why the government has made the drastic new laws against societies most troubled.