Thread: Civil Liberties

Bikies-only prison planned under new Queensland laws

How long will take for the do-gooders or criminal lawyers to transform the proposed new jail in another "Hilton"?
Is the legislation as the government said exclusive for motorbike gangs?
Criminals will findind a loophole

Originally Posted by jimr1

I came to live in OZ. some 25 plus years ago , We had only lived in our house for a month or so , when there was a council election , we did not know any of the candidates , or any thing about any of the party's , let alone that It was compulsory to vote . Anyway we didn't vote ,thinking nothing of It until my wife and I received a fine each . She did appeal and the fine was wavered ..

Only Australian Citizens are required to vote, indeed ALLOWED to vote (although UK and NZ citizens were allowed the option of being placed on the electoral roll), so I can't see how one month after you arrived in the country you were fined for not voting?

Originally Posted by carlschmid2002

i am all for civil liberties and because of this I am 100% behind any laws to get these idiots off the streets. When they are happy to bludgeon each other in public areas and shoot wildly at suburban houses they deserve everything coming to them. We ask our police officers to uphold the law and protect us from these fools. They are not human punching bags. i have lived in this country for 43 years and i would like to believe that we don't have the STASI and if we are innocent we will be protected by the law.

Hahaha, and you believe that?

This legislation removes any test of innocence by the judiciary. Any organisation can be declared criminal by the stroke of a pen, no burden of proof necessary.

If you've worked somewhere where an OMC has held a function, you are now considered an associate.

If you run a small business and a person who happens to be a member of an OMC frequents your business regularly, you're now an associate.

No recourse, no right to silence, no requirement for reasonable suspicion for the police to pull you over. They can do it if they feel like it.

And there's not a thing you can do about it.

Originally Posted by Chucaro

Is the legislation as the government said exclusive for motorbike gangs?

Not at all. As the laws are written and as they were passed in the wee hours of this morning, anyone who rides a motorbike or 'looks' like a bikie or has ever associated with one can be subject to these laws.

To expand these laws to include any group you like is now a simple administrative process of adding the group to the list. No burden of proof of criminal activities (they haven't done that for the OMC hence these laws in the first place) and no judical checks at all.

Hell, even the QLD government solicitor hasn't read these laws before they were passed. Absolutely no scrutiny whatsoever.

Originally Posted by PeterM

Not at all. As the laws are written and as they were passed in the wee hours of this morning, anyone who rides a motorbike or 'looks' like a bikie or has ever associated with one can be subject to these laws.

To expand these laws to include any group you like is now a simple administrative process of adding the group to the list. No burden of proof of criminal activities (they haven't done that for the OMC hence these laws in the first place) and no judical checks at all.

Hell, even the QLD government solicitor hasn't read these laws before they were passed. Absolutely no scrutiny whatsoever.

Gestapo and KGB eat your heart out!!
In today news :

SECURITY guards, second-hand car dealers and people who work in gyms may be targeted by the State Government after the Attorney-General indicated more industries were in the firing line in the war on bikies.

Joh's ghost err....Mr Bleijie said:
"security, gym and second-hand car industries would be subject to the same requirements for "fit and proper" employees as tattoo parlours are under the latest legislation."

No activity of these Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs is not already covered by another law. These new laws do nothing, except take citizens rights away to feed the fear of idiots.

The OMGs are not inventing new crimes - if the Govt funded the police properly they could get on with enforcing the existing laws. This is just an attempt to look 'tough on crime' while doing effectively nothing to prevent it.

If making things illegal worked to prevent those things, there would be no drug problem, or speeding, or murder. It doesn't work to prevent crime - it just limits the rights of the people.

Unfortunately Eevo... i agree with your basic outlook. Though it also comes down to the fact that why should people vote for an ileagle Govt entity. We are only slated for 2 levels of Government... Federal and State. No Referendum to legitimise local councils.

No-one seems to be asking why people...mainly blokes...join OMGs in the first place. For many, it's a refuge ...they want to belong...anywhere. They are already marginalised, so joining a gang on the margins of society seems to be a natural course...

Interesting that the Govt is talking about a bikies-only prison...am wondering how they will put them to work... maybe they'll introduce the concept of a ....chain gang