Civil Liberties

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I think schools should be teaching ethics from day one until completion. Respect, fairness, compassion, empathy, patience, resilience, all those things parents should be doing. Perhaps most do, but it's the few who aren't getting it that then become losers and run a muck; i'e biker. Then the Government makes rules for the majority on the actions of the minority.

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Schools often try, but then its not backed up at home.

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Originally Posted by newhue

I think schools should be teaching ethics from day one until completion.

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Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Schools often try, but then its not backed up at home.

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There is also the question of which part of the curriculum you would cut to make room for all these things that used to be taught within the family.

Would you reduce the time spent on literacy, numeracy, science, history or some other subject?

"There is also the question of which part of the curriculum you would cut to make room for all these things that used to be taught within the family.

Would you reduce the time spent on literacy, numeracy, science, history or some other subject?"

These are not "taught" but are (should be) inherent in our daily lives and actions.
It is the do-gooders and nanny mentallity that is not allowing for it to be enforced these days. More nanny leads to more disfunction not less.
The pollies and police are targeting anybody (ie. "soft targets") to be seen by the media as doing their job, getting the numbers up, as it were.
May be the law makers of our country should be simplifying the laws, not making them more conviluted and eaiser to corrupt.
AUSTRALIA REMEMBER "when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"

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Originally Posted by vnx205

There is also the question of which part of the curriculum you would cut to make room for all these things that used to be taught within the family.

Would you reduce the time spent on literacy, numeracy, science, history or some other subject?

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Easy. Cut any kind of religious instruction. Plenty of time to teach logic, reasoning and ethics then.

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Originally Posted by Gerokent

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AUSTRALIA REMEMBER "when injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty"

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That's the type of slogan that Americans spout to justify their God given right to carry shootin' irons.

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Originally Posted by akelly

Easy. Cut any kind of religious instruction. Plenty of time to teach logic, reasoning and ethics then.

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That is already happening in NSW ... sort of.

It isn't made easy for parents to choose ethics over religion.

Special Ethics Education

Opting out of religion only way in to ethics

Ethics come in from the cold after Labor U-turn

http://splash.abc.net.au/media/-/m/1...FYPrpAodCVYA7Q

Certainally in high school graphics, wood work, and metal work could be substuted, even science, art, or music perhaps. All these subjects are relevant to career that has training with the job. Life skills, money management, home economics, history and political studies are more relevant to life for most people.

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Originally Posted by vnx205

That is already happening in NSW ... sort of.

It isn't made easy for parents to choose ethics over religion.

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I heard a radio interview with that Nile bloke last year - schools aren't even ALLOWED to tell parents about the ethics classes. The parents have to opt out of religion first, then ask for ethics class. That was the deal the religious loons made with the state govt.

Utter garbage. There should be no religion at all in state schools, other than in history classes.

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Originally Posted by newhue

Certainally in high school graphics, wood work, and metal work could be substuted, even science, art, or music perhaps. All these subjects are relevant to career that has training with the job. Life skills, money management, home economics, history and political studies are more relevant to life for most people.

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You're so right! Every 3 months I rue not doing accounting at school... would have been much more useful than the stuff I chose.

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Originally Posted by newhue

It seems society has been on a bit of a faster slide after the golden years of the 50's. Fractured families with fighting parent, same sex couples raising children, drug ****ed and drunk parents must leave their children confused and neglected.

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Using this as an example, not wanting to start that particular debate again.
Raises the point though, ethics and morals is entirely subjective.
To some people, same sex couples raising children is a huge issue. To others, it's not an issue at all
So yes, Schools should teach useful things. The only useful subjects I did were PDHPE and maths, not really getting that much use out of Studies of Religion or four units of history.
But ethics and morals should, IMHO, be something for the parents to deal with, as well as the child themselves when they become an adult.
Consider, it used to be that we got all our ethics and morals from religion.
Now, we have lots of people (rightly so IMHO) saying that in state funded schools, pushing a particular religious view point, and in turn the associated values, on children is wrong.
School should be about providing education and skills for becoming a productive, non dole bludging, participating member of society.
How to be a decent human being is entirely subjective, and applying a blanket type approach just doesn't work.