Thread: Civil Liberties

Chucaro... that loop hole is call Cash... ...

Its bad enough that cameras are filming us in shops, on the street, at traffic lights etc etc etc and invading our privacy, but now any group which annoys the government of the day can be added to the list and totally deprived of the presumption of innocence. Its not good enough to say that if you don't commit a crime you don't have anything to fear, because history proves that innocent people have a lot to fear from governments which give themselves excessive powers. Just ask the Jews, Cambodians, Chileans, Chinese etc etc etc. How long will it be until people with modified vehicles are declared a threat to safety? Don't laugh, it could easily happen now.

What would happens if the gangs star purchasing ex army LR; are the LR groups will declared nasty as well?

Three Defenders owners together and bingo! to jail no questions ask

I can picture the chase scene, defenders driving down the highway with the cops running alongside.

Originally Posted by clubagreenie

I can picture the chase scene, defenders driving down the highway with the cops running alongside.

Yeah but heaven help those manning the road blocks

Yeah, defenders visible from 5km away and barely an hour to get out of the way.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

Its bad enough that cameras are filming us in shops, on the street, at traffic lights etc etc etc and invading our privacy, but now any group which annoys the government of the day can be added to the list and totally deprived of the presumption of innocence. Its not good enough to say that if you don't commit a crime you don't have anything to fear, because history proves that innocent people have a lot to fear from governments which give themselves excessive powers. Just ask the Jews, Cambodians, Chileans, Chinese etc etc etc. How long will it be until people with modified vehicles are declared a threat to safety? Don't laugh, it could easily happen now.

Mick, I an ever becoming more confused, frustrated or maybe depressed, and beaten by the overwhelming amount of stalking our Government does. I had a NP ranger show up with a camera on his car, and one on his shirt, then tell me in a loud clear booming voice "no fires"' as I stood outside the bollards of my pre booked camp ground. Fires, like fun, have been with humans for ever and a day, but not in Qld. They now have it on file I have been instructed no fires in a NP in QLD. And my rego number from my car for my where a bouts, linked to my Credit Card. Hell they even monitor how many years I have been booking camp sites with a child under 5. And I thought I was only camping.

Apart form all the traffic and speed cameras on the roads, police cars constantly taking photos all day long cross referencing data. Parking bays or zones crossed referenced with with type of registration. Cars registered, stolen, suspended, outstanding ? from perhaps tax obligations to perhaps no shows at the poling booth. Traffic lights have facilities to recording mobile phone codes with movements. Perhaps cross referenced with the phones GPS's. My new drivers licence seems to be a pre curser to the Australia Card. It has a chip on it, and if I can pay without swiping at the shops I guess it can be scanned from the appropriate device. People say if your doing nothing wrong there is no need to worry. But why then does the government follow me around so much. And if I know two fifth of **** all, why do I feel it's so wrong. I cant even dream what else they do.
To me we are ruining our self worth, freedom, and happiness in the name of safety and security. Politicians seem to hastily making laws for the majority based on the actions of the few. John Howard introduced similar laws on Unions meeting with each other just like the bikers have now. Should this be introduced for politicians so we don't have another useless expansive show like Rudd and Gillard.

Not sure what your excellent points (and they are excellent) have to do with Rudd & Gillard?

Governments everywhere are addicted to 'Big Data'. The only way to change this is to vote them out, but Australians keep voting them in. We have only ourselves to blame.

The supermarkets (and other retailers) give you a rewards card that tracks every purchase you make, where you make it and how you pay. If you pay with a credit card it records those details too and links the two cards together in the database. But no one is forcing you to use those rewards cards - people choose to use them because they are more interested in what they can get than what they could lose. Every day most of us choose convenience, savings and financial benefit over freedoms.

Maybe instead of voting for billionaires, footballers and blokes who are into cars we should vote for some people in the Senate who are interested in protecting us? Just a thought.