Thread: Civil Liberties

Originally Posted by sheerluck

Technically speaking, Muppet, you live 15km outside Orange. How often do I have to keep reminding you of that?

That's almost in Molong

Originally Posted by THE BOOGER

That's almost in Molong

Wrong side
Not that there's anything wrong with Molong...
Right Gav?
To be perfectly honest, I kind of forgot you had a connection to Molong...

The QLD bikers law will be a fizzer anyway as they'll just resign from their current clubs which are on the list and either start new clubs or move over the border to Tweed Heads and start again.


The argument, 'If you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear can be reversed to say, 'If I'm doing nothing wrong you have no reason to track me.'

The politicians love to stir up fear and paranoia and then say they need more powers to protect us from the danger they exaggerated. Take the road toll - its been falling for three decades, but still they want even more powers to harass motorists.

So let me get this straight, In Qld the state govt. can outlaw a group if they don't like them with no review cases or prosecution of that group as an organised crime mob, arrest any member if there are 3+ wearing the outlawed groups label, and what else?
As somebody else said what next? Which group do you know of that is 100% pure and cannot be smeared by the actions of a minority of it's members and a well planned media campaign.
In saying that having a Motorcycle club where some members cannot/or can barely ride and are there for "business connections" does themselves no favours (thinking of certain inner city clubs) It's like having a 4wd club where members don't need a 4x4, or license.

I grew up in Mossman NQ in the 70s. We used to have a block of land at Yungaburra and one weekend we went went to Lake Eacham for a picnic with friends. There was an Italian man there with his family enjoying the day when this large group of bikies turned up and parked near his picnic table. They were loud and obnoxious and when the man asked them to keep it down they started to do burnouts and the like and sprayed dirt and over his families picnic. They proceeded to start assaulting him in front of his family. There was perhaps a hundred people there that day and the only people who went to his aid was my father and his French friend. They hit his French mate with a log across the back, luckily it was rotten. They dissapeared just after that. These were the days when they all rode Jap bikes. No one deserves to be treated like this. They behave in a pack mentality and I doubt they would ever take on someone one on one. I love bikes but this incident has made me always have a strong distaste for bikey gangs. Give the police all the power they need to keep the mongrels off the street I say.

Originally Posted by DiscoMick

The QLD bikers law will be a fizzer anyway as they'll just resign from their current clubs which are on the list and either start new clubs or move over the border to Tweed Heads and start again.


The argument, 'If you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear can be reversed to say, 'If I'm doing nothing wrong you have no reason to track me.'

The politicians love to stir up fear and paranoia and then say they need more powers to protect us from the danger they exaggerated. Take the road toll - its been falling for three decades, but still they want even more powers to harass motorists.

You are spot-on with your prediction, I see the Finks MC club has merged with an American based MC club called The Mongols.Oh, nearly forgot, they are saying they have cleaned up their act and they are now "nice boys".

I know there's a bikers club war on the Gold Coast for control of the drug trade, and that obviously has to be stopped. I wouldn't object to any reasonable solution. I'd like to hear a good explanation of why the powers the police already have couldn't cover all the actions of the bikers. Maybe there is a case, I'm open to be persuaded, but I haven't heard it so far.

I think we need to re boot the system, cause the path we are taking isn't working. We can see glimpses of how we will go by looking at the US model.
We should move away from the more rules, aggressive policing, and suppression of freedom. Drugs, gambling, alcohol, and violence can only increase as the society becomes more restricted, frustrated, depressed, and poorer.
It seems society has been on a bit of a faster slide after the golden years of the 50's. Fractured families with fighting parent, same sex couples raising children, drug ****ed and drunk parents must leave their children confused and neglected. Along with looser parenting styles and discipline, greater affluence, and an idea of "you can have it now" and " you can have or do anything" has us walking a downward trail.
I think schools should be teaching ethics from day one until completion. Respect, fairness, compassion, empathy, patience, resilience, all those things parents should be doing. Perhaps most do, but it's the few who aren't getting it that then become losers and run a muck; i'e biker. Then the Government makes rules for the majority on the actions of the minority.

from fires in a NP to biker fight in an air port...its al the same. Some dick ruins it for majority.