Thread: Civil Liberties

Originally Posted by Chucaro

the Australian people will not tolerate abuse of power by anyone

i dont agree.
Australians dont care.

take a look at local council elections. they are voluntary, noone cares and noone votes.

You are probably right to be concerned. As 1 who has followed the various stuff that has been implemented "for our safety and public good" it seems they just keep on using the boil the frog method. A little law here another over there. And for the life of me I cannot see any change in the criminal element it was supposedly aimed at, yet the general public in some way must complie. And it seems to always need "adjusting" with stiffer penalities and so on. But little by little it tightens.. The "Bikie gangs" are a good 1, I would have thought there are more than enough laws covering public affray, stealing , murder, drug dealing. etc but no it seems more and more powers are needed? And I bet none are wiped from the books when the "problem " has been fixed!
The Aussie average is very casual about stuff, because it always has happened somewhere else and we have been the "lucky" country in that regard. It is like an old german said to me once, Australia is so forgiving, it is because we have never known a proper calamity like a total famine or war such as Europe has seen many times. It changes peoples ideas he said.

i am all for civil liberties and because of this I am 100% behind any laws to get these idiots off the streets. When they are happy to bludgeon each other in public areas and shoot wildly at suburban houses they deserve everything coming to them. We ask our police officers to uphold the law and protect us from these fools. They are not human punching bags. i have lived in this country for 43 years and i would like to believe that we don't have the STASI and if we are innocent we will be protected by the law.

Just take a leaf from Joh's trial......."I don't recall...I don't recall...I don't recall..."
There are enough laws now, to bring the lawless to brook, they require a burden of proof though. The new laws will allow those in power to jail someone because of the clothes they wear, bike they ride or company they keep.
Monday; Odin's Warriors and Banditos....next week the Merthyr Vespa Riders, HOG and Ulysses.

Originally Posted by Eevo

i dont agree.
Australians dont care.

take a look at local council elections. they are voluntary, noone cares and noone votes.

Not in QLD, they are mandatory.

Originally Posted by V8Ian

Just take a leaf from Joh's trial......."I don't recall...I don't recall...I don't recall..."
There are enough laws now, to bring the lawless to brook, they require a burden of proof though. The new laws will allow those in power to jail someone because of the clothes they wear, bike they ride or company they keep.
Monday; Odin's Warriors and Banditos....next week the Merthyr Vespa Riders, HOG and Ulysses.

Posties with Honda's 110 are not included (I hope)

I think there is general agreement that these undesirables need to be dealt with. The question is how they should be dealt with.

In Robert Bolt's play "A Man for All Seasons", the following exchange takes place between Sir Thomas More and William Roper.

William Roper: So, now you give the Devil the benefit of law!
Sir Thomas More: Yes! What would you do? Cut a great road through the law to get after the Devil?
William Roper: Yes, I'd cut down every law in England to do that!
Sir Thomas More: Oh? And when the last law was down, and the Devil turned 'round on you, where would you hide, Roper, the laws all being flat? This country is planted thick with laws, from coast to coast, Man's laws, not God's! And if you cut them down, and you're just the man to do it, do you really think you could stand upright in the winds that would blow then? Yes, I'd give the Devil benefit of law, for my own safety's sake!

While the current proposals might not amount to cutting down existing laws, we need to deal with the problem in a way that does not threaten the rights of ordinary citizens at a later date.

Originally Posted by tonic

Not in QLD, they are mandatory.

i didnt know that.