Is this the end of "Real" 4x4's ?

I thought the whole reason for a "bullbar" was so that you could hit multiple pedesdrians without damaging your car???? and a 4WD so you can back up over them to see of they are ok.

Sorry but you cant legislate against stupidity - 2.5t 4wd or 100t road train against pedestrian or 1t car against pedestrian the weight ratio is so much that it is a moot point. All we are looking at is are you a little bit dead for walking in front of my car or a lot dead for walking in front of my car!!

rather live bush anyway, hope this doesnt offend but I hate cities with a passion to many drongoes trying to tell me how to live my life and whats good for me and sooooo many bloody rules nar give me the bush any day, in fact if I could get a job on a station in the middle of nowhere even better

Article has gone so I havn't read it but I will stick with my argument about the ban 4Wd's.
Ban bull bars in the city but also ban any vehicle from the country that doesn't have a bull bar:twisted:.

Love to see a bicycle with a bull bar:D:D:D

AS I've said before and it has been said by others on this forum and in this thread.

There are people out there, read Harold Scruby and his ilk, that want to ban 4WD and will use any excuse whether the research statistics are there or not. The bullbar is just one aspect, it is the same as the 4WD running over small children in the driveway. The data is collected as "large car", which includes, people movers, 4WD, softroaders, white vans, station wagons etc. Mostly the injury statistics don't differentiate and yet the statistic is most usually reported as 4WD because it suits the needs of the argument.

All we can do is to remain within the design rules, drive safely and hopefully don't run _ _ _ er* any pedestrians. The rest will take care of itself in one way or other, there's no point getting anxious about it.

Diana

* insert "over" or "under" which ever is appropriate.

Pedestrians in the city on their mobile phones are a major problem. It seems that they cannot actually think with one of these devices at their ear. Every other week I see one step out onto the road without looking at all.

Why is it that people can talk face-to-face with someone and still be aware of their surroundings but once on the phone they cannot?

I agree with pretty much everything said here.

It does interest me all this given that they have just lowered the speed limit to 40kph in Brisbane city. I expect this will spread to all urban areas soon enough.. and then they will start dropping places to 30. :o

Pretty soon the most dangerous thing a pedestrian will be able to do is walk into my stationary bull bar while they are twittering on their mobile. This will then be classified as a "twingery" and the vehicle owner will then be responsible for wrapping his vehicle in padding before leaving it parked. :mad:

Just another angle on the special 4wd licence. I think it's a great idea. However if it were to happen I think you will find "real" 4wds will be initially cheaper as they flood the market from people who don't want to get their licence. Eventually they will be more expensive as no manufacturer will be bothered importing them. Australia isn't a big market.

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Originally Posted by -Macca-

Seperate Licensing - Good Thing™

People in the 'burbs who use a 4x4 as a daily runaround need to be told.

I live in the 'burbs (just) and drive a RR. I also have a Common-dore for my daily grind (I work on site, so do too many km's for it to be viable to drive the rangy everyday anway!). Even if I could drive the rangy everyday, I wouldn't. It's too much of a pain in the ass.

I'm getting a big sticker made up for the rear tailgate of the rangy - "Did you know your 4wd can go offroad?"

People who use a 4wd exclusively on road are one of my pet peeves.

Hope I haven't offended anyone!

-Macca

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Can't agree, love my Disco. Never been off road the closest it gets is towing the boat off the ramp. Been driving them for 13 years now, don't know why they have to go offroad to be appreciated. :( D1 Tdi on gas and diesel, great vehicle !!

I think the biggest problem now days is we are living in a society where we have to blame somebody for someone else's misfortune or stupidity.
Someone walks out front of your 4WD and dies, lets ban 4WD's with bull bars.
So it's then your fault for owning a 4WD with a bull bar, not the F@#KWIT who's own inattentive behavior caused there own demise.
Governments find it easier to legislate rather the educate.

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Originally Posted by martinozcmax

Can't agree, love my Disco. Never been off road the closest it gets is towing the boat off the ramp. Been driving them for 13 years now, don't know why they have to go offroad to be appreciated. :( D1 Tdi on gas and diesel, great vehicle !!

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if its been purchased for towing then i think thats ok. but if it was just purchased for use as an everyday car then why? rav 4s etc arent realy 4x4's and i still cant see the point in owning one if you dont have the need (ie a slippery driveway or needing to get onto muddy worksite or something.

agree with everything else here except the 0% alchohol limit as posted earlier. im on my p plates and have a 0.00% alchohol limit and it sucks. you cant have a beer after work. cant have a quiet one down the pub then drive. and if you realy hit the **** you cant drive for most of the next day. and the worst bit is that im 18 (i believe it should be raised to .02 or even .01 like it used to be for p platers) but only after you have been on your p plates for a year regardless of age (so that those who need/want to get their licence earlier benifit. the ones who wait till their 20 to get their licence still have to wait the year)

Bring back Hector the cat!

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I generally don't drive through Sydney CBD after 06:30 AM, however I wanted to vist the Vivid Sydney thing on Friday night so I went for a little drive into the Rocks.

Got to be ground zero for pedestians with a death wish. There are more marked pedestian crossings than I remember but does anyone use them? Way to hard to walk the extra 20ft to the crossing.

Wow, you drag back one VERY old thread and look what happens :lol2: