Thread: ABC, Catalyst and cholesterol.

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Well I must be a very plain type of eater,as I enjoy my 4 Vita-Brits for breakfast with 2 level teaspoons of sugar,+ milk, lunch is usually bread or toast (multigrain) and Vegimite,evenings are usually a chicken schnitzel fried in veg oil,boiled peas,beans,carrot,broc,& cabbage,I don't eat salads "rabbit food",and
I occasionally have Macca's 10 piece bites and a small fries,and yes,I drink Coke,but with the bite taken out of it with Scotch . I had a quad bypass in 2001 after a coronary in 2000, I have just weighed myself and am 68 kilos,I gave up smoking in 2000 last ciggie waking down to get into the Ambo, I try to keep active,3/4 of an acre with a Victa walk-behind,and working on Land Rovers,I enjoy going down to the local shopping centre as it is 1klm long,and usually to it at least once,down and back on my suicide (walking) stick
I am going to get back swimming this summer so I can keep fit.

cheers

Originally Posted by bob10

How amazingly appropriate it is you quoted Socrates in this thread. No doubt you know the story of his life, and death. If not, I suggest you look it up, good for a laugh. You blokes sound like you need one, Bob

Another view of Socrates is..... - that of an argumentative bugger who took delight in embarrasing/confusing/undermining & humiliating people, the more prominant they were the better he liked it.

Today we might refer to his behaviour as 'Intellectual bullying', or, if he pitched them so it was seen in a positive light..... 'Motivational Speaker'. How it's presented is how it's received.

A lot depends on how history is written, as well as when and by whom.

I've noticed when folk are emotionally battered on top of being deceived and brow-beaten, they tend to react with less than Christian forgiveness....


Anyway, I don't take all this toooo seriously, as sooner or later a double-blind, peer-reviewed, manufacturer - funded study will suggest we should eat more chocolate and ice cream.
-They'll have the statistics to prove it... .

More chocolate and ice cream YUM! and why not


BTW. I dug out my last Cholesterol reading of 5 but my Dr wants 3.5 yet mum could not get below 8 as she was often up to 11,

I reckon it's a bit of a lottery.

I know of 2 people who were VERY fit and with very low body fat who both had multiplke bypasses in their 50s.
One was a top distrance runner and had to have the stress test rerun at higher intensity to find his blocked arteries. The other is my wife's cousin who was an A grade squash player and used to run up 20 stories of his office building every day.

I have also read somewhere and not been contradicted by my doctor that 80% of people who have heart attacks have normal cholesterol levels.

Here is me now 64 and always maybe 10-20 kg overweight at 188CM and 110-119 Kg but always active with squash, tennis , weights etc etc but high cholesterol, high BP and occasional Lone Atrial Fibrillation but so far not a hint of blockage symptoms.

I ask the doctor every time I see her to renew my Lipidil and Teveten, whether it is worth having a scan to see what the arteries are like and she always tells me it cannot be justified as I have no symptoms.

She recommended I change my diet as my blood sugar was 6.8 , so I changed about 6 months ago to no sugar, and higher fat, more meat , lots of veg and salad. I dropped 10KG and have never felt better.
I think a key issue is that I have never smoked and drink only moderately. I cannot have wine as it contains sulphur preservatives which trigger my AF. Probably my biggest regret.

So I don't think there is any point stressing about it as I tend to agree that stress is a killer. I think I would be dead now if I hadn't retired early 7 years ago. Poor but happy and healthy.
Regards Philip A

Yep! stress will do you more harm than enough,but I drove a school bus for 16 years and it never got to me, I enjoyed it, and some of my ex-school kids I often see,when shopping in the local area, but I am often reminded of my age when I see some of my ex-kids with their high primary, low high school children

Originally Posted by Petetheprinta

Having had 2 heart attacks Angioplastyand a triple bypass I watched with interest ABC's CATALYST programs on statin medication. As a result I have decided to stop my statin medication which I have been taking for the last 20 years. I won't bore forumites with my reasons for this decision.

I am interested to hear other peoples reaction to the program (only if you watched it of course).
I am also interested in knowing what other members are doing to reduce their cholesterol levels if high cholesterol is a problem for you.
Thanks, Pete.

I think you should check out the Media Watch programme broadcast tonight. You can get it off their website. Seems that one of the "Doctors" quoted wasn't a doctor at all, and they all had a vested interest in knocking statins. (Yes, I did see both Catalyst programmes. I'm a bit disappointed to learn how unbalanced it was.)

Cheers

Coop

The Media Watch item was certainly scathing in its comments about the Catalyst program.

Anyone thinking of making a decision based on the very bad journalism in the Catalyst program should check out the Media Watch comments.

If you missed it, you can catch up on iview.
Media Watch (ABC TV)