Thread: Tractor on Club Rego ? Requirements ?

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

That's not a concern .......... You see you have to find a club that will accept the car... Now if I go and by for example a 1985 Magna for $200 bucks ........... And it is by some miracle roadworthy.... What car club ... anywhere do you think will allow the car to go onto a permit through there club.................................... It's simply not going to happen, not ever

BTW: My father and I both had cars on the old Victorian scheme that was like NSW .... It sucked so bad we both wasted money for several years paying the pointless fee before giving up on it. You see most club runs are miles away in a car you can't legally drive ... except for "maintenance" ... I gave it away when I had my father ring me and say someone at his work had seem my club permit car out and about 2days in a row ... "He's obvisiously using it to drive to work" ............... Sadly they didn't complain to me in person ( I can be rather tactless and blunt to assholes) ..... He was right he did see it out at the same time two days in a row ... The first day was to the exhaust shop, the 2nd day was upto pirtek to sort out some hydraulic bits. I never did bother to ever drive any car from that day forward on the club permit scheme. The anal assholes could keep there scheme all to themselves. They all just wanted to feel they had power over your use of your car... and were scared ****less "somoene, somewhere" was abusing there scheme

The 90day permit scheme is unbelievable. and yes I do drive permit cars to work often (something someone was whinging about above). Why shouldn't I ?? It's a gentle trip along country roads that is perfect for keeping vintage cars in nice running order.

seeya,
Shane L.

Don't call your cockroaches Vintage, some of us have actual Vintage cars, and could take offence (although most of ours are Veteran). I will admit they are a classic though

It cost's us $150 to have our 1909 4.7 L SCAT comprehensively insured and registered for a year, the 1915 Rover motorcycle costs a tiny bit less, it has a much lower agreed value, the 1918 Crossley, 1912 Delahaye, 1905 Rover, and 1948 MG TC, all also cost $150 a year, that is $900 all up, to have 6 vehicles registered for club use, which does actually include travelling to and from the activity.

So I can have 6 vehicles on the road and comprehensively insured for half what it costs to register and have 3rd party property damage on my '83 Range Rover, that's before I even include wear and tear.

The system has the ability to be rorted, nothing is stopping someone registering an XE Falcon, which is a perfectly daily driveable car on club plates with the Ford club, in fact, they could buy 4 of them for $200 each, have one set of good wheels and tyres they swap between them (which isn't unheard of, we are on an LR forum after all!), the purchase price is the same as what my RRC cost me, and having 4 cars means you can always keep 1 on the road. So yes the system has the ability to be rorted, it originally came from the Veteran car club, and the RTA decided one day to introduce a 30 year rule, the issue with this is that it changes things from where it originally came from, which was a permit, not a registration, if the system gets abused, and something bad happens, we will all pay the price. IMHO it is stupid, and I know people that were very active in stopping it getting introduced to NSW, as it would just open up an opportunity to yobbos.

It is entirely possible to have 4 car's running on 'H' plates cheaper than 1 on normal rego.

Cheers
Will

EDIT: I do agree with you to an extent, and completely about the anal people that like to nitpick, however I don't want to lose the club rego scheme. I also agree with driving vehicles to both keep them running, and to have things done, which may include a stop off at work for the day, my comment was saying that someone can have these older cars, for the sole purpose of commuting, and do it a lot cheaper, potentially ruining it for the rest of us.

I spend a bit of time on an historic vehicle forum and the Victorians love and cherish their scheme. The chances of rorting is very remote, as a condition of historic rego is an approved club membership. Any abuse or non-conformance has repercussions on the club and individual, possibly resulting in the removal of the club's approval to authorize historic concessions for all members. Most clubs have a qualifying period before approval for concession and a minimum number of meetings and events to be attended to retain membership. All too much guff for non-enthusiasts, weeding out the scammers.

As Mick has said . In Victoria tractor rego is only $79.20. Not much at all. Better to be safe than sorry IMO.

Me I've got 3 cars, 2 tractors, 4 bikes, 3 trailers & 1 caravan . All with full rego & I just dropped 1 car off the list. Even though I live on a back road its not worth the risk as the cops go past regularly. With my luck I'd get caught. The least they do when going up & down my back road is to give me a wave.

Gary

Originally Posted by MR LR

Don't call your cockroaches Vintage, some of us have actual Vintage cars, and could take offence (although most of ours are Veteran). I will admit they are a classic though

It cost's us $150 to have our 1909 4.7 L SCAT comprehensively insured and registered for a year, the 1915 Rover motorcycle costs a tiny bit less, it has a much lower agreed value, the 1918 Crossley, 1912 Delahaye, 1905 Rover, and 1948 MG TC, all also cost $150 a year, that is $900 all up, to have 6 vehicles registered for club use, which does actually include travelling to and from the activity.

So I can have 6 vehicles on the road and comprehensively insured for half what it costs to register and have 3rd party property damage on my '83 Range Rover, that's before I even include wear and tear.

The system has the ability to be rorted, nothing is stopping someone registering an XE Falcon, which is a perfectly daily driveable car on club plates with the Ford club, in fact, they could buy 4 of them for $200 each, have one set of good wheels and tyres they swap between them (which isn't unheard of, we are on an LR forum after all!), the purchase price is the same as what my RRC cost me, and having 4 cars means you can always keep 1 on the road. So yes the system has the ability to be rorted, it originally came from the Veteran car club, and the RTA decided one day to introduce a 30 year rule, the issue with this is that it changes things from where it originally came from, which was a permit, not a registration, if the system gets abused, and something bad happens, we will all pay the price. IMHO it is stupid, and I know people that were very active in stopping it getting introduced to NSW, as it would just open up an opportunity to yobbos.

It is entirely possible to have 4 car's running on 'H' plates cheaper than 1 on normal rego.

Cheers
Will

EDIT: I do agree with you to an extent, and completely about the anal people that like to nitpick, however I don't want to lose the club rego scheme. I also agree with driving vehicles to both keep them running, and to have things done, which may include a stop off at work for the day, my comment was saying that someone can have these older cars, for the sole purpose of commuting, and do it a lot cheaper, potentially ruining it for the rest of us.

I don't understand. Doesn't NSW have the utterly useless scheme like Victoria used to have. You could have 30cars on club permits and still nothing to drive ..... as you can only drive them to club events !!! A cop that see's one parked at a supermarket or shop ... or any "useful" sort of location will immediatly book the driver.

The whole of Australia should go to the Victorian scheme, there is no "grey" areas... People are free to drive there cars as they please, anytime they please,... But only for 90days of the year (which is HEAPS, infact the first two years I had my CX on a club permit I used it about 30days a year).

Why is everyone so worried "someone, somewhere, *might* be abusing the scheme".... I'll let you in on a secret .... It doesn't matter what scheme is in place, a tiny percentage will try too abuse it .... It would likely be far less than those that simply drive unregistered and uninsured though!

the reason most clubs don't want the victorian scheme is there scared ****less they'll loose there "power and control" over there members... If you want a laugh, have a read here .... You'll almost be able to name the car club members from the clubs your a part of given there descriptions

CarClub

seeya,
Shane L/.
PS: I new I'd get someone in refering to my cars as Vintage Country roads are actually dangerous for veteran/vintage as the speed differential to the traffic is enormous

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

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... BTW: My father and I both had cars on the old Victorian scheme that was like NSW .... It sucked so bad we both wasted money for several years paying the pointless fee before giving up on it. You see most club runs are miles away in a car you can't legally drive ... except for "maintenance" ... I gave it away when I had my father ring me and say someone at his work had seem my club permit car out and about 2days in a row ... "He's obvisiously using it to drive to work" ............... Sadly they didn't complain to me in person ( I can be rather tactless and blunt to assholes) ..... He was right he did see it out at the same time two days in a row ... The first day was to the exhaust shop, the 2nd day was upto pirtek to sort out some hydraulic bits. I never did bother to ever drive any car from that day forward on the club permit scheme. The anal assholes could keep there scheme all to themselves. They all just wanted to feel they had power over your use of your car... and were scared ****less "somoene, somewhere" was abusing there scheme

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It sounds like a problem of the club you were associated with. e.g. we had a member with a SIIA FFR, this member did drive the HCRS vehicle to work on a number of days and I as the Registrar approved the trips. The reason, the fellow was a radio broadcast technician and he was taking the vehicle to the workshops at the ABC Haymarket, where specialist repairs could be attended.

The whole issue for maintenance drive is the interpretation of "reasonable distance" for the particular type of vehicle and in NSW that is for the individual clubs to interpret and set rules around.

Someone can always report it to the RMS and the Club Registrar to answer, this is not a problem. It is a problem when someone with a CMP "blitz" truck uses the truck to go out into the local National Park or State forest to collect bush rock for sale. So getting a report on that is good and a reason for the Club to advise the RMS to cancel the HCRS on the vehicle.

Without that oversight it is more open to abuse and opens us up the a 90day rego system at a proportion of full rego as in Vic. A far more expensive exercise than what we have in NSW today.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

Without that oversight it is more open to abuse and opens us up the a 90day rego system at a proportion of full rego as in Vic. A far more expensive exercise than what we have in NSW today.

Nah, you'd love it ... To put it into perspective. My cars are on 45day permits. It is $66 a year to drive it 45days a year (or double if you want the full 90days)... If your insured through shannons your premium drops as it's a permit car. There is no stamp duty, no plate fees, no transfer fees. If your a member of a club that has it's own safety inspectors you don't need a roadworthy certificate.

The reason Victorians keep on about how brilliant the system is ..... is because it IS. I look outside and see it's a nice day, so I chuck the baby and kids seats in the back of the old ID19 and we go out in it for the day... try that with the utterly useless *****ful permit system we used to have. Everytime the sun shines and it's a nice day you play "spot the cool car" as classic cars and street rods flood the roads wearing club plates (I **** you not, every nice day you see HEAPS of old classic cars out driving around just for the fun of it).

How about this ... Need to help a mate shift a car .. or pickup a parts car ? Fire up the Rangie, fill in the log book and off you go... It would be useless as both a 4wd and a tow vehicle if it was the old club permit scheme ... I couldn't even go pull out someone bogged in lane opposite my place with the Range Rover on the old club permit scheme.

The NSW scheme like the old Victorian one is great for people that like to look at there cars... polish them ... sit in them in the shed .... but not anyone that actually wants to drive them.

Last time I was driving the Rangie ... I parked at Aldi next to a bloody ripper of an old Holden ute... really early thing early 60's. It too was wearing club plates. This scheme has completely changed the classic car movement in victoria. The anal bastards that love power over everyone in the car clubs HATE IT with a passion.

seeya,
Shane L.

Originally Posted by DoubleChevron

Nah, you'd love it ... To put it into perspective. My cars are on 45day permits. It is $66 a year to drive it 45days a year (or double if you want the full 90days)... seeya,
Shane L.

In NSW $58 for the whole year only restricted by the number of days your club/s have events and the maintenance activities in between.

If we are going to have a proportional scheme, then it should apply to ALL vehicles, not just old ones and maybe could be charged on a daily basis in the same manner as the eTag for motorways. How many people commute on public transport and only use their car on weekends, think of the savings, we could only pay 2/7th of full rego and still use the vehicles in the same manner. Of course if they are parked on the street they would have to have 365 day rego.

However Governments would never allow it because of the huge drop in revenue and taxes.

Originally Posted by Lotz-A-Landies

In NSW $58 for the whole year only restricted by the number of days your club/s have events and the maintenance activities in between.

If we are going to have a proportional scheme, then it should apply to ALL vehicles, not just old ones and maybe could be charged on a daily basis in the same manner as the eTag for motorways. How many people commute on public transport and only use their car on weekends, think of the savings, we could only pay 2/7th of full rego and still use the vehicles in the same manner. Of course if they are parked on the street they would have to have 365 day rego.

However Governments would never allow it because of the huge drop in revenue and taxes.

Or.... pay a basic registration fee per vehicle....say $75 each and have the third party component on your licence fee so that your annual licence fee is $500 per annum. After all you can only drive one vehicle at a time. It would be great for people who wish to own several vehicles.
The revunue raisers could even put in more speed/safety cameras if it looked like they were going to be tight for income!

Cheers, Mick.