Attacks on Police

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Originally Posted by Treads

Where have I said that anyone is less deserving of justice?

Justice is very different to deterrent.

What I have said is that the protectors (ie the one's who run toward danger, not away from it), should be protected by additional penalty in the event that people assault them at work.

Additional protection for police? I'm not sure that's required - I'm yet to be assaulted on the job and actually lost the fight ;)

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Assault is a crime (I don't need to tell you that).
Should a person assaulting me be punished any less severe than a person assaulting you? You seem to think so.
That sort of attitude does not deserve my respect.
So a different law applies to you that applies to me? Be careful where that slippery slope leads.

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Perhaps lay off the bottle for a bit. Where in my post did I say that police should be better protected?

You're behind the 8 ball anyway, as there are already specific charges for resist/hinder/assault police (summary) and assault police (indictable). Before you get all bent out of shape about all this you probably should check it out:
Assault/Hinder/Resist (SOA) - http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...66189/s52.html
Assault Police (CA) - http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/v...95882/s31.html

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Originally Posted by dullbird

dont they need a reason to pull your over if its not an official RBT?

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Originally Posted by Mr Whippy

Lou, I think you are correct here, in Vic any way.

There was a case recently where this came up.

Can't say I agree with it though. There has been many a case where it has just been a random check for no reason and they have busted a big drug or fire arms courier/dealer.

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Yes we need a reason to pull you over here in Victoria - That reason can be as simple as "you are driving or in charge of a motor vehicle on a highway" (look up the definitions of those words ;) )

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Originally Posted by Treads

Yes we need a reason to pull you over here in Victoria - That reason can be as simple as "you are driving or in charge of a motor vehicle on a highway" (look up the definitions of those words ;) )

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The one most used with me is "Registration and license check."
With me, the example you have given is not used often.

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

The one most used with me is "Registration and license check."
With me, the example you have given is not used often.

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I was being facetious Mick - we don't need a reason to pull you over. If you are in charge of a motor vehicle on a highway you can be stopped at any time for no reason.

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Originally Posted by Treads

I was being facetious Mick - we don't need a reason to pull you over. If you are in charge of a motor vehicle on a highway you can be stopped at any time for no reason.

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Funnily, the reason you gave has been given to me. Maybe they'd run out of reasons for the day.
I realise the police do not need a reason to stop a car. That does not worry me. It's the profiling I disagree with. I also have a problem when the police have "attitude" and "issues". Perhaps they should have stayed home in bed that day.

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

Funnily, the reason you gave has been given to me. Maybe they'd run out of reasons for the day.
I realise the police do not need a reason to stop a car. That does not worry me. It's the profiling I disagree with.

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I would have thought you'd be safe in your VR? All the local hoons here have VY's :p

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

I also have a problem when the police have "attitude" and "issues". Perhaps they should have stayed home in bed that day.

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Very true in some cases

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Originally Posted by Mick_Marsh

I realise the police do not need a reason to stop a car.

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Police do need a reason to stop someone. The Random in RBT is supposed to be just that. The Breath Test is also just that. So, once that reason has been executed, and unless there's another 'reason' to make further enquiries, such as an expired licence, rego etc, then you're on your way.

This 'stopping someone for a fishing expedition to see what we can find' is just rubbish, pathetic Policing. You can't be stopped to have your licence checked or some other crap, it must be for a reason - justification. If there's no reason and a crime is detected and the person prosecuted - and a matter is defended, then where is the justification for stopping and detaining someone?? Ain't there = false arrest = costs awarded = Police look foolish = community support diminishes.... Thanks very much.

If you can't do it right, don't do it (young fella) - that's what I say to the 'young' fellas.


Matt.

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Originally Posted by Treads

I would have thought you'd be safe in your VR? All the local hoons here have VY's :p

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Same where I live. I think the local constabulary realise this as they never stop me.
Perhaps those out on the highways need their training programmes updated.

I around in constant fear of being pulled over, the copper taking a disliking to me and making my life hard. This has happened to me only twice. The first time a local copper wanted to teach me a lesson. I had one nothing wrong. I was lucky as that copper put a young upstanding respected citizen of the town in hospital. After many complaints in his short stay in the town, he was moved on.
Another time, a copper took a disliking to me. He declared my car was unregistered (the rego label was there but not stamped) and I had to leave it where it sat. Had to recover the vehicle later with much inconvenience. The next day I rang Vicroads. The car was registered according to them. I bought a receipt from Vicroads and sent it in to Snr. Sgt. Richie at the traffic infringements branch. He replied with a letter stating "We will not be perusing this matter any further."
I was told I had no recourse.
The latest incident wasn't going well and was beginning to turn ugly, when my 76yo mother got out the car and wanted to know what was going on, the police woman said "I stopped you because you had a bent number plate." and got back in her car. I was followed for quite some kilometres which gave me the impression she was itching for another go but "caught on camera".
In my industry there are incompetent people with attitudes. I can only assume it's the same in any industry incluing the civil compliance industry.

Thoughts are with my Melbourne colleagues today :no2:

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Police, firefighters injured in Middle Park explosion

Victoria DateJanuary 5, 2014 - 8:42AM


Read more: Police, firefighters injured in Middle Park explosion

Three police officers remain in hospital after an explosion in Melbourne's south on Saturday night.
Two female officers are in a critical but stable condition and a male officer serious but stable after being injured in the blast.
Two Metropolitan Fire Brigade firefighters were also injured at the Middle Park residence.
A Victoria Police spokeswoman told Fairfax Media that emergency services were responding to report of man threatening suicide at an apartment on Hambleton Street at 9.15pm.
The firefighters entered the second-storey flat, followed by the police officers. A large explosion then occurred.
The police officers were taken to The Alfred hospital and the firefighters were taken to the Royal Melbourne. The man threatening suicide was also injured.

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Automatic 3 months behind bars and a $10k fine fr a first offence might make one or two think twice I think. Trouble is most of the perpetrators are either drug ****ed, drunk or both. It's not an excuse, but they'd all claim to be the victim.:twisted: