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Watching Australia in the 80's, Fox. Something I did not know [ amongst many things]. Arosmith & a rap group broke the mould in the 80's, joined rock to rap. According to the commentators, it had the effect of getting white kids & black kids in the US to sit & listen to the same music. Bob
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Rap was done by Dylan in the 60's and Blonde in the 70's by whities.
I thought it was in part an off shoot of the spoken word / free style poetry of the "beat poets" ?
How good is this? , Bob [ I believe rap was from the days of African slaves, in America, with no written vocabulary, and sang their history. It developed from there, I think. Bob
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So were the blacks in the bronx etc. Blondie got on board the new wave.Quote:
Originally Posted by loanrangie
And if you want to see early electronic music google herbie Hancock. Amazing jazz mmusician who pushed boundaries.
Good old wiki -
Rapping (or emceeing,[1] MCing,[1] spitting bars,[2] or rhyming[3]) is "spoken or chanted rhyming lyrics".[4] The components of rapping include "content", "flow" (rhythm and rhyme), and "delivery".[5] Rapping is distinct from spoken word poetry in that it is performed in time to a beat.[6][7] Rapping is often associated with and a primary ingredient of hip hop music, but the origins of the phenomenon can be said to predate hip hop culture by centuries. It can also be found in alternative rock such as that of Cake and the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Rapping is also used in Kwaito music, a genre that originated in Johannesburg, South Africa and is composed of hip hop elements. Since the early 21st century, it has been possible to hear rap in every major language of the world.[citation needed]
Rapping can be delivered over a beat or without accompaniment. Stylistically, rap occupies a gray area between speech, prose, poetry, and singing. The word (meaning originally "to hit"[8]) as used to describe quick speech or repartee predates the musical form.[9] The word had been used in British English since the 16th century, and specifically meaning "to say" since the 18th. It was part of the African American dialect of English in the 1960s meaning "to converse", and very soon after that in its present usage as a term denoting the musical style.[10] Today, the terms "rap" and "rapping" are so closely associated with hip hop music that many use the terms interchangeably.
Rapping can be traced back to its African roots. Centuries before hip hop music existed, the griots of West Africa were delivering stories rhythmically, over drums and sparse instrumentation. Such connections have been acknowledged by many modern artists, modern day "griots", spoken word artists, mainstream news sources, and academics.[15][16][17][18]
Blues music, rooted in the work songs and spirituals of slavery and influenced greatly by West African musical traditions, was first played by blacks, and later by some whites, in the Mississippi Delta region of the United States around the time of the Emancipation Proclamation. Grammy-winning blues musician/historian Elijah Wald and others have argued that the blues were being rapped as early as the 1920s.[19][20] Wald went so far as to call hip hop "the living blues."[19] Jazz, which developed from the blues and other African-American and European musical traditions and originated around the beginning of the 20th century, has also influenced hip hop and has been cited as a precursor of hip hop. Not just jazz music and lyrics but also jazz poetry. According to John Sobol, the jazz musician and poet who wrote Digitopia Blues, rap "bears a striking resemblance to the evolution of jazz both stylistically and formally."[21]
One of the main influences on Hip Hop artists was James Brown. James Brown is credited for inventing funk music in the middle '60s. The characteristic funk drum beat is the most common rhythm used for rap music. Two of the earliest recordings which have a funk beat and lyrics which are rhymed in rhythm over this type of beat were released by comedian Pigmeat Markham, "Here Come the Judge" which was released in 1968 by the Chess label and in 1969 another song about running numbers called "Who Got The Number?".[citation needed]
Precursors also exist in non-African/African-American traditions, especially in vaudeville and musical theater. One such tradition is the patter song exemplified by Gilbert and Sullivan but that has origins in earlier Italian opera. "Rock Island" from Meridith Wilson's The Music Man is wholly spoken by an ensemble of travelling salesmen, as are most of the numbers for British actor Rex Harrison in the 1964 Lerner and Loewe musical My Fair Lady. Glenn Miller's "The Lady's in Love with You" and "The Little Man Who Wasn't There" (both 1939), each contain distinctly rap-like sequences set to a driving beat. In musical theater, the term "vamp" is identical to its meaning in jazz, gospel, and funk, and it fulfills the same function. Semi-spoken music has long been especially popular in British entertainment, and such examples as David Croft's theme to the 1970s' sitcom Are You Being Served? have elements indistinguishable from modern rap. In the realm of classical music, semi-spoken music was popular stylized by composer Arnold Schoenberg as Sprechstimme, and famously used in Ernst Toch's 1924 Geographical Fugue for spoken chorus and the final scene in Darius Milhaud's 1915 ballet Les Choéphores.[22] In the French chanson field, irrigated by a strong poetry tradition, such singer-songwriters as Léo Ferré or Serge Gainsbourg made their own use of spoken word over rock or symphonic music from the very beginning of the 1970s. Although these probably did not have a direct influence on rap's development in the African American cultural sphere, they paved the way for acceptance of spoken word music in the media market.
More directly related to the African American community were items like schoolyard chants and taunts, clapping games,[23] jump-rope rhymes, some with unwritten folk histories going back hundreds of years across many nationalities. Sometimes these items contain racially offensive lyrics.[24] A related area that is not strictly folklore is rhythmical cheering and cheerleading for military and sports.
One of my earliest recollections.
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Was gonna post an example of Eminem, but not for kiddies, this is the next Eminem.
Check out this video on YouTube:
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Irritates me when people dismiss rap as being rubbish.
Good rap is fantastic.
"gangsta" rap about dem hoes and dem bitchez and dem rimz and dat whip and bein' up in da club nd **** is pretty rubbish.
But good hip-hop? Fantastic :)
Too right D.M! I love clever lyrics. A lot of my friends (we're over 60 mind) hate it & revert to "their music" which admittedly some, not a lot in retrospect, was good at the time but mainly commercial **** (remember Payolla).Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Muppet
Steve