Aus Day 2014 - WA off to a bad start... Shark cull

**nugge t** · 27th January 2014, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by Chucaro

Unfortunately very few read reports from research, that reports can jeopardize their standard of living so the reports, the scientist and those that are supporting their efforts are categorized as a socialists, greenies, hippies, ABC readers, etc
In this case it is not "bugger you Jack, I am Ok" it is "bugger the planet, bugger the next generations including my children childre, I am Ok"

If being cheeky is taking what you have said as being true, then I guess I am guilty. You were quite specific...the case we are discussing is that of the sharks.

**nugge t** · 27th January 2014, 06:17 PM

I don't HAVE to pick a side of the fence at all.

I said there was an alternative. I didn't say which i agreed with and as usual, the same old crew assumed. No one bothered to actually ask.

What I have done is question the motives of those suddenly making noise as if this was the only issue on the world stage.

If more people are killed by bees and bulls, why aren't these groups out stopping the indiscriminate slaughter of bees and bulls. Surely more bulls are killed in a day than sharks will be caught in beach protection lines in the next 20 years.

It all seems very selective.

beagleONE · 27th January 2014, 07:47 PM

***le sigh***
i cant compete with a well constructed and supported argument like that richard4u2

unfortunately this has delved into the realms of derailment, unsupported hypotheticals, and discussing irellivant technicalities.

there is only so many times you can go around in circles before you realise you are going nowhere... ive been transparent as far as my motives are concerned, which is more than can be said for some.

i shall depart for now, and allow you to discuss christian shark killers, the importance of fridays and hipters jumping on the next craze

**Chucaro** · 27th January 2014, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by richard4u2

isn't every one forgetting that man has been fishing before the birth of Christ and they would have caught shark , man has been eating fish before the birth of Christ and that would have included shark every, Christian around the world is suppose to eat fish on Fridays and some of that would have been shark. professional fishermen bring in their catch every day around Australia and that would include some shark so why are they not protesting at them every day ?? why don't they protest at the Sydney and melbourne markets every day ? why don't they protest at every fish and chip shop every day ? why don't they protest at coles and woollies where they sell shark fillets every day ? why don't they protest at every church every day because Christians eat fish on Fridays ?

Richard, did you posted this before or after having the evening glass (or two)

**Davo** · 27th January 2014, 09:56 PM

Originally Posted by beagleONE

***le sigh***
i cant compete with a well constructed and supported argument like that richard4u2

unfortunately this has delved into the realms of derailment, unsupported hypotheticals, and discussing irellivant technicalities.

there is only so many times you can go around in circles before you realise you are going nowhere... ive been transparent as far as my motives are concerned, which is more than can be said for some.

i shall depart for now, and allow you to discuss christian shark killers, the importance of fridays and hipters jumping on the next craze

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sheerluck · 27th January 2014, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Fatso

Why don't we have Protests about Protesters

I had originally read that as Protests about Protestants, coming as it did after Richard4u2's....errr.....interesting post on christian anglers.

Ooooh no, here we go again I thought. Panic over for now.

**101RRS** · 27th January 2014, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by Davo

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beagleONE · 27th January 2014, 10:23 PM

Originally Posted by Davo

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Ean Austral · 27th January 2014, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by bacicat

Let's not even get started about over fishing and exhausting our fish stocks...

I was very reluctant to comment on this subject, but when the conversation starts on over fishing in Australian waters it is something I know just a little about, and have spent an absolute fortune in participating in the most controlled and highly regulated fishing countries in the world... For good reason I might add.

I was in a former life a shark fisherman when the prawn season was closed, and make no mistake I am not a supporter of culling sharks ( or crocodiles either even though I survived being attacked by one ).. BUT I would question the survival rate of catching sharks on hooks then relocating them, sure it may reduce the amount of attacks, but , at what cost to the shark population ? are any figures supplied on the expected survival rate's ?

For those uneducated in fishing practices in this country, nearly ALL shark fishing has been banned , those that haven't can only fish with a certain method. Any shark over 5kg is classed as not fit to be sold in the Australian market due to mercury levels. ALL sharks unloaded are checked against the shark fins unloaded to stop the sensless finning of sharks.

When it comes to overfishing, Australia is world leaders on policies and practices to recover over fished stocks, and the Northern prawn fishery which I was involved in has recently received MSC ( marine stewardship council ) accreditation which isn't handed out lightly, and I know of several other fisheries in Australia that also have it.

Over fishing is something that is taken very seriously in this country , and a lot of people have invested a lot of time and many many millions of $$$ to address it... How do I know...Because im one of them.

Just my 2c worth.

Cheers Ean

beagleONE · 27th January 2014, 11:16 PM

Welcome to the discussion, I shall return again from my hiatus for you.

I agree with you that Australia is good at maintaining fish stocks.
What is your view point on what is happening world wide as far as overfishing/by-catch levels are concerned Ean??
I am by no means an expert, but am curious to gain an insight from someone in the industry.

As far as supporting documentation for shark survival rates are concerned, this is all I can pull ATM from the abstract of this document.
A green strategy for shark attack mitigation off Recife, Brazil - Hazin - 2013 - Animal Conservation - Wiley Online Library

'During 8 years, the SMPR caught fish and turtles only and showed high selectivity for sharks compared with shark meshing. Target species comprised carcharhinids and sphyrnids and accounted for 7% of total catch. The fishing mortality of abundant taxa was generally low except for Carcharhinus acronotus and Gymnothorax spp., and protected species had ∼100% survival. The shark attack rate diminished about 97% while fishing operations were being conducted (W = 1108.5, P < 0.001), whereas no-fishing periods and the period prior to the implementation of the SMPR had similar shark attack rates. Overall, the SMPR seems to be less detrimental than shark meshing strategies while clearly contributing for enhancing bather safety; thus, it may provide an effective, ecologically balanced tool for assisting in shark attack mitigation.'

I can try and access to this document using alternate methods, try and get some rock solid numbers on this.

edit - i have just looked at a quick at MSC...
I take my hat off to you mate, this is the sort of practice that should be promoted world wide.
This makes me happy.

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